Special Stage Forums banner

1 - 20 of 23 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
51 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
So how many of you Racers want bragging rights, saying you got to race in a WRC Event?

Did you notice that the WW is an FIA Event [ is being Sanctioned as a Future International Rally ] ( Is that better ? ) We are trying very hard to get the WRC here.
Anyone remember when the WRC was here last?

Olympus ring a bell? 1988 I think was the last year it was here. I don't know the dates ( I was living in Reno, working on the Carson City International Rally. )


Wonder why WW costs so much this year? Ask Questions.

Come to the Rally Meetings every Tuesday evening - Little Creek Casino - Shelton Washington at 730 pm. Check the website for more info.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
672 Posts
Wild West is not an FIA listed Rally for 2004

For the sake of accuracy, it is important to point out that WW is not an FIA listed event. It was listed last year but not this year. The only rally in the United States that is listed as an international rally with the FIA is the Ramada Express International Rally in Laughlin, NV. The only two FIA listed rally events in North America are Rally Mexico and the Ramada Express International Rally.

Should you care to check the facts visit the FIA's web site at:
http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/1519133551__Sport_Calendar2004.pdf

Listing for FIA events must come from a member of the country's ASN. The ASN for the U.S. is ACCUS. Last year the SCCA requested the FIA listing for Wild West. The Ramada Express International Rally has been listed through USAC for last three years and by IMSA for the three years previous.

Wild West is a fine event but it is not currently an FIA listed International Rally.

Ray Hocker
Clerk of the Course
Ramada Express International Rally
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,275 Posts
RE: Wild West is not an FIA listed Rally for 2004

It was originally planned to be, but is not.

And hey, I entered WW 2003 when it was FIA listed, in a historic car with an FIA cage, no less. :)

I also notice Cherokee Trails 2004 is on that list....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
672 Posts
RE: Wild West is not an FIA listed Rally for 2004

Cherokee chose to drop their FIA listing earlier in the year after is was mistakenly left off the original calendar.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
168 Posts
RE: bragging rights

I'd rather save money and keep the sport as grassroots as possible.

I'd prefer to see more local ClubRallyists playing for less money than a single ProRally or WRC entry. If that's the trade-off, it's not worth it. We "little people" shouldn't be paying for the "big guys" to MAYBE play with us someday. If I want to see them race, I'll check out the Speed Channel schedule or go on a European vacation.

Kala
Fling Pu Racing
Don't need bragging rights
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,407 Posts
RE: How many of you want bragging rights ...

I don't get it. Are you implying that drivers would want to enter the WW rally simply because it was once a WRC event 18 years ago? 18 years ago I wanted to see Van Halen. Now, not so much. While I'm sure they still rock, it ain't quite the same show.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
309 Posts
RE: bragging rights

Cala, If you are looking to save money you can't race at any level in any organization in America, sad but true. Grassroots racing sucks and there is no point to it. If all you want is a cheap, fun hobby collect model trains or fly kites.
 

·
straight at T
Joined
·
2,472 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>If all
>you want is a cheap, fun hobby collect model trains

You think that's cheap???

Adrian
(Yes, you found one of my other hobbies...)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
689 Posts
RE: bragging rights

Let's see a California Rally series class winning performance stock car can be had for 3-5K and an event can be done for $300 if you enter a CRS Rallysprint event. Times that by 4 rallysprints and you may be looking at as much as $1500 for a season. This is of course if you drive with finishing in mind. You will of course by driving an old corolla , VW Rabbit or old Volvo. (your friends won't be impressed) Unfortunatly many people think you have to show up at Rim with a WRX or EVO. Racing can be cheap but you have to be willing to run an old gutless 2wd 4cyl car.
Now as to model trains - well a brass locomotive will set you back about $700 add in several box cars and a couple of hopper cars and you'll be up to a grand.Then of course you must lay your own track so you have to get woodworking tools to make a proper base - another grand. Ok you also want the good buildings and they are $50-$100 a piece. Of course you have to buy the good scenary - $500 worth of supplies. The list keeps going , so before you know it you have a $6000 toy train set. MMM did I mention we have a whole room dedicated to model and toy trains at the house.
I drive a 71 Volvo , race a 71 Datsun and our tow vehicle is a 77 motorhome , total value might be 10K.So rather than buying that New Mini I go racing. Now as far as kites go I hear you can buy a good stunt kite for $300.

Tom
 

·
Four tree two remember Andrew
Joined
·
1,629 Posts
RE: bragging rights

> Let's see a California Rally series class winning
>performance stock car can be had for 3-5K and an event can
>be done for $300 if you enter a CRS Rallysprint event.

> Now as to model trains - well a brass locomotive will set
>you back about $700 add in several box cars and a couple of
>hopper cars and you'll be up to a grand.Then of course you
>must lay your own track so you have to get woodworking tools
>to make a proper base - another grand. Ok you also want
>the good buildings and they are $50-$100 a piece. Of course
>you have to buy the good scenary - $500 worth of supplies.
>The list keeps going , so before you know it you have a
>$6000 toy train set.

Or, you can get a good quality, rugged N scale loco with good detailing and traction and cars, decent quality track, and set yourself up a challenging switching layout for $300-$500. But not liking that Japanes stuff (other than the brass), and being a German at heart, both my car and my trains are from the Fatherland. The VW is lot cheaper than the trains.

Wilson
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
168 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>Cala, If you are looking to save money you can't race at
>any level in any organization in America, sad but true.

Not looking to SAVE, just not go broke.

>Grassroots racing sucks and there is no point to it.

Actually, I've found that in some ways it is MORE rewarding than running an all-expenses-paid sponsored event. You have to depend a lot more on all the stuff money CAN'T buy, like teamwork and resourcefulness. The added bonus is getting to tell and re-tell stories about putting your car back together with PBR cans and pissing in the radiator just to finish the race.

Kala
Fling Pu
 

·
don't cut
Joined
·
2,252 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>together with PBR cans and pissing in the radiator just to
>finish the race.
>
>Kala
>Fling Pu

If you sold pictures of you doing that on the internet you could probably cover the entry fee to WW! }>

Dennis Martin
[email protected]
920-432-4845

Ps. Yes, I'm a sick individual. My rally car has broken since April, what do you expect?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
168 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>If you sold pictures of you doing that on the internet you
>could probably cover the entry fee to WW! }>
>

OK, that's funny 'cause I would actually DO IT if I had the pix. I could stage some. Hmmm....I'm thinking Fling Pu Racing calendar now...

Yes, I'm a sick individual. My rally car has broken
>since April, what do you expect?

Fix it and join us in the back of the pack! You can see how it really is more entertaining running in the rear!

Kala
Fling Pu Racing
Party in the Rear
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
901 Posts
RE: How many of you want bragging rights ...

...to run some of the finest roads in the state of Washington?

Well, it's mostly the same roads as Dryad/Shitepoke... And as far as Olympus goes, that was a long time ago, and times have changed.

Last time I checked, it cost way more than anyone is willing to front (say, $1 million? Are you up for it?) to have a WRC round. Without financial backing from the government, a la the Mexico rally, it ain't gonna happen.

Now, $600 for a weekend of rallying is a lot; but for 2 coefficient 3's, it's $300 per day. It's a lot of rallying miles for my money, and it's one reason I skipped the sprints entirely. I saved $200.00, and gas money driving up and back, for WW instead.

Anyway, WW is a Club-only event. One reason WW as a dual event keeps the Club entry fees so low is because the Pro entry fees help subsidize the Club fees. Organizers around here want the locals to be able to run the local events!!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,757 Posts
RE: bragging rights

Gee Todd,

Thanks for slamming me, my son, our enjoyment of a great autosport... and my 28 years in and around rallying.

And ditto for a whole bunch of others fine folks at the same time.

Mark B.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
309 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>>Grassroots racing sucks and there is no point to it.
>
>I didn't know that NA "pro" rallying had gotten so big and
>popular that there was any more point to it than any sort of
>grassroots series...
>
>in fact....
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
309 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>>Grassroots racing sucks and there is no point to it.
>
>I didn't know that NA "pro" rallying had gotten so big and
>popular that there was any more point to it than any sort of
>grassroots series...
>
>in fact....

It hasn't gotten big and won't ever get big in the future unless we try to think big and offer a big package to spectators and prospective sponsors. If an Organizer is able to sell something that is viewed as "big" and possibly pay for the event based on sponsorship, maybe the entry fees would be less, which started this whole debate to begin with. I didn't mean to slam anyone who has been around rallying for 20 years and that is not my intention, but if we collectively think like club racers and keep the grassroots mentality, then that is all this will ever be.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,407 Posts
RE: bragging rights

>Grassroots racing sucks and there is no point to it.

What a jackalope.

Rallying isn't big enough in this country to serve the needs of the aspiring professional and weekend funrunner each with their own series or events. That means they all run the same events together...one of the unique things about rally that I think is cool. It makes for a varied and interesting entry field. We can't afford to lose any of them, no matter what their experience, commitment level, or wallet thickness.

At the end of the day, we're all a bunch of fools who love to drive fast in the woods.
 
1 - 20 of 23 Posts
Top