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In the USA, Rally NY is working to become a WRC event, is there an event and organizers willing to push/prove their event to that level of acceptance? I ask because much like the F1 schedule that puts Montreal followed by Indy it is not a bad idea (in my view) to accommodate the journey across the Atlantic with 2 events. One could feed off of the other.

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>Mexico, Argentina.

... USA, Canada

>Like Japan, Australia, and New Zealand.


Yes, what the heck the if you watch Speed TV NASCAR guys run what?... 48 weeks out of the year? :)

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WRC bids are part of recent Canadian rally history.

Rallye Auto Charlevoix started its bid around 1999. Great event. Stages and the HQ on an island out in the St Lawerence river accessable only by ferry. In 2000 it moved back to mainland, HQ is a castle-like resort/casino, and moved to FIA rules. Several international drivers entered:

http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/charlevoix00-natres.html
http://www.rallyracingnews.com/cars/charlevoix02.html (international guys all DNFed)

Anyhow, even with government funding, entry fees skyrocketed, service times were shortened, less local teams entered, the organizers traveled overseas observing WRC events on our entry $, reports from the FIA observers about Charlevoix seemed went from so-so to favorable, then the event went bankrupt and disappeared.

Rally Quebec soon followed adopting FIA format but didn't seem to have the international attention that Charlevoix had although seemed better suited for it in that it was located in major city but soon went belly under quicker than Charlevoix attempt.

Of the current CARS rallies, only Rocky Mtn and Defi are close enough to major urban areas capable of hosting a WRC event. There just ain't the resources to attempt trying again. 2 excellent rallies down the drain is enough.

Don't get your hopes too high about RallyNY.
 

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The cost involved to put on a Canadian WRC event is in the millions of dollars per year. There has been a serious attempt to do that a few years ago, but they could not raise the sponsorship cash needed to pull it off. There is just not enough exposure to the WRC in Canada, and now that it is no longer being shown on Speed, the situation is that much worse.
 

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While it is true that the Rocky Mountain Rally is based out of Calgary, there is scant interest in an event of WRC size. The costs are out of line with the potential return and the only way it would ever happen is if a rally friendly company was interested in a 5-10 year financial commitment.

Wanting a WRC event is not the same as being able to run a WRC event. Orginization has to be built and that takes time. There is also the matter or roads. While there is some wonderful roads in the region, getting access to them could be difficult. I can think of some roads that would be great but they are located in areas that do see a lot of off road traffic.

It is an interesting dream but just a dream.
 

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Much the same down here - Perth decided it didn't want the WRC round anymore, and they have been struggling to find another city/rally to host it.
 

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">It is an interesting dream but just a dream."

That is what every visionary and entrepreneur has been told along the way, probably every WRC promoter too!

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>If you can make it work, I will be there to work the event,
>before, during and after


that is exactly the spirit necessary to pull this off.

now multiply by 4500 (???!!!)

the primary organizer at Corona Rally Mexico told me he had 4500 people who helped make the rally happen-- committee members, workers, sponsors, local police, road marshals, trade-show vendors, various volunteers, etc etc

Leon, Mexico whre the rally is based is a metro area roughly equivalent to Boston or Toronto.

WRC Canada is a big dream, but not out of the realm of reality.


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In Spain this weekend, the local police had 2 officers stationed at EVERY SINGLE roundabout, junction, and intersection on the transits, and spectator routs. ALL OF THEM.

It was NUTS. I drove 100ish kilomoters out to a stage, and every single little intersection had 2 police directing traffic. They would shut down a road, and make it one way for spectators, or stop all traffic to allow a rally car through.

What im saying basically, is that people dont realize the amount of support from all parties involved, and MONEY required to put on a WRC.

Rally Norway said they had about 8,000 volunteer workers at their candidate last Feb.
 

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WHY WHY WHY?

I do NOT understand the fascination with WRC events. Okay, maybe for spectators. For the rest of us (competitors, workers, organizers, etc.) I can't think of a more useless waste of ambition.

So let me get this straight...a rally aspires to become a WRC round, so they jump thru the hoops the FIA tells them to. The service times go down, the price goes up exponentially. The infrastructure required is beyond belief. IF (and that is one HUGE "if") the promoter can get the corporate sponsorship to pull it off, they will do so AT THE EXPENSE of all the hard working rallyists who worked so hard to make the event a success to begin with.

Ask the Mexicans! Their national classes were DROPPED as soon as they got the WRC bid. They disenfranchised the competitors that MADE THE WRC rally possible in the first place!

Same would happen here. You won't see Jon Nichols mixing it up with other 2WD greats in his VW...it isn't legal!

So the cars would be FIA cars (many of which aren't even sold here) and the drivers will be imported. Great. Thanks. Can you poke me in the eye with a sharp stick while you're at it?

Oh yeah, you CAN run the rally as long as you have a GN or GA or WRC or S1600 car...either import one or build a Subaru. Yay. But your great little rally car isn't good enough to play with the big boys. It might embarrass them.

I sure hope that any rally in North America doesn't disenfranchise its core customers/supporters/loyalists with pipe dreams beyond their pants size. And if they do, I hope have some balls and fight the FIA to allow their homeland's classes!

As I understand it, one of the best rallies in North America (Charlevoix) is no longer thanks to this plan. Wish I would have run it in it's heyday...before the FIA garbage.

Rant over.
 

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RE: Why not?

Well, why not? Rant somemore if you want but I put it out there purely based on the reasonable premise that companion events can if sched. and run to support each other, have a better survival rate than a stand alone. I'm not jonesing for WRC CA or USA (I've never expressed an opnion on it) but if the idea is persued on one side of the boarder it might be worth briefly passing over the logistics of 2-3 events, on the same continent.

For example start in Mexico, shoot up to Canada for some white stuff, come back to USA for a spring event? What the heck is wrong with that?

Lastly, the idea actually came from reading some stuff on Nicky Grist's site. Seems he's a bit more optimistic about a lot of things, just not rally.

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RE: Why not?

Why - the same reason that countries line up to host the olympics or other major events.
The opportunity to host the world's best is also an opportunity to lend a level of legitemacy to and raise awareness of the sport on the local level.

That said, a winter event is the best chance Candada has at getting a WRC round, and I doubt that either the RIQ or RIC organisers want to travel down that road again. (I have heard that the best chance would be a combination of the two events' roads)

Another problem, as mentioned, is the serious lack of eligible cars to run in the event. You'd get the WRC and S1600 or PWRC cars and maybe a half dozen more.

Could we do it? maybe. Are we ready to do it? That's the question.
 

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Because...

Hokay, I gave you my passionate competitor answer. Lemme put my business hat on for a minute...

Big time racing...including rallying...lives or dies for one master. Marketing.

Citroen, Skoda, and Peugeot don't even sell cars here. While the Focus is marketed as a mid-level car in the rest of the world (and is made with different materials reflecting this different marketing directive), it is destined to remain an entry level (high-school student) car in the United States. (It's why the "old" Focus is still sold here. We were slated to get the new one this year, but it was deemed too expensive of change for the market here.)

That leaves just Mitsu and Subaru to gain anything from the excersise.

We had a better chance...assuming we actually wanted it...back when Toyota was in the game.

Ask Montreal about the Olympics. Did they ever recover? Is the roof on that stadium thing still broken? I think its had 4 roofs now.

Going into the red for a rally makes about as much sense as going into debt to hold the Olympics. Make the citizens pay for it. mm-hmm.
 

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RE: Because...

>Going into the red for a rally makes about as much sense as
>going into debt to hold the Olympics. Make the citizens pay
>for it. mm-hmm.

I don't disagree with you on any of your points.
 

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RE: WHY WHY WHY?

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>So the cars would be FIA cars (many of which aren't even sold
>here) and the drivers will be imported. Great. Thanks. Can
>you poke me in the eye with a sharp stick while you're at it?
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>Oh yeah, you CAN run the rally as long as you have a GN or GA
>or WRC or S1600 car...either import one or build a Subaru.
>Yay. But your great little rally car isn't good enough to
>play with the big boys. It might embarrass them.
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What if you do like they did at 1000 Lakes a few years back, where they ran the GrF cars in a seperate rally after the WRC event? Same roads, just an hour or two later. You could have the WRC cars run, sweep the course, and then run a Candian national event after it. Just a thought.

Personally, a northern round would be great, but with travel so easy nowadays, Mexico is just fine. Whether I fly/tow to Quebec, New York, or Leon, it's not that big if a deal. In other words, those who want to see/work/compete in a WRC round here already have that opportunity.

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RE: WHY WHY WHY?

>Same roads, just an hour or two later. You could have
>the WRC cars run, sweep the course, and then run a Candian
>national event after it. Just a thought.

'snot up to me, but this would be more agreeable. But if its a seperate event, the cost should reflect that (way cheaper than the WRC). If they want to charge full price, the cars should run with the first group.

I agree, tho. If it never happens in the US, it would be fine with me. Leon is close enough. I plan to save for a few years and rent a car for a big rally either there or in Europe.

I don't need a round here to add "legitimacy".
 

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>With Norway slated to be on the schedule next year as another
>true snow WRC, I think our chances in Canada (if we even had a
>bidding event) are slimmer now. Maybe one day...maybe one
>day...

The rumor lately has been that Ireland is far ahead of Norway for the 2007/2008 winter season.

On the eurosport WRC coverage in Spain, the preview program had a good 15 minute Ireland rap up.
 
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