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This year's Wild West Rally should be the highlight of the northwest rally season. Sponsors are working hard to make sure it will be an exciting and fun rally weekend. They include Subaru Western Region, Little Creek Hotel and Casino, KFNK 104.9 FM (The Funky Monkey)out of Seattle, Piloti Driving Shoes from California, and Whitney's Auto Group of Grays Harbor.

The rally will be based out of the Little Creek Hotel and Casino. KFNK 104.9 will be having a month long contest for a ride in a rally car and free hotel stay at the casino for the rally weekend. They will also be doing live broadcasts during the rally.

The rally will consist of two SCCA divisionals with an overall weekend champion crowned at the Subaru West awards banquet Sunday night.

FRIDAY:press Stage
Registration and Tech inspection
Welcome party at Little Creek Casino

SATURDAY: Sou'wester Club Rally
Live radio updates
Import Car Show at Little Creek Casino
Mid-rally party Saturday night complete with classic
rally movies from the northwest

SUNDAY: Simpson stages club rally
Live radio updates
Subaru West Awards Banquet

See you in Shelton September 10th, 11th and 12th.
 

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>The rally will consist of two SCCA divisionals with an
>overall weekend champion crowned at the Subaru West awards
>banquet Sunday night.

>See you in Shelton September 10th, 11th and 12th.

Here is the link to the website:

http://www.wildwestrally.com/

Key dates/prices (note rebate, get your fellow competitors to enter):

Payment of entry fee:
Early entry fee, $595 if received by August 16.
Regular entry fee, $645 if received between Aug 17 and Sept 7.
Late entry fee, $695 if received on Sept 8 or later.

Entry rebates: $45 rebate to all entries if more than 30 cars enter. $95 rebate to all entries if more than 40 cars enter.
 

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Talk about incentive to enter! :) I'm going to push for 4 Tabor entries at WW, so if everyone else does their part, we should all get the full $95.00! :) Let's see, who else could we bug to come out...

Vance??? You listening?? Get working on that Swedish Ford in your driveway! :)

KT
 

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Incentive to enter? You'd better make more Tabor rally teams fast. Even I do not have that many beer cans. Has WW always been so spendy? I can have a lot of other kinds of fun for 600 bucks.

Kala
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KFNK 104.9 FM (The Funky Monkey)

With special guest appearances by George Clinton and the P-Funk All-Stars!

Well, not really, but I'll be sure to get Kristen copies of a couple albums so she can blast it in Parc Expose...

Jon
 

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Does anyone know why WW is so exspensive? I've talked with a half dozen ralliest all "not running because it's to exspensive", my self included.

If one reads the "Where are they now" thread they would see alot of folks aren't rallying anymore because "it's too exspensive"!!!

Entrent fee's have to come way down or the sport will die in the USA.

As always IMHO.
 

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Yes, I cheerfully forked over my half of the 425-dollar entry fees at OT and Dryad/Shitepoke. I helped chip in for considerable car repairs resulting from each.

HELLO! Neither of Fling Pu's teams is likely to get 595 big uns in the mail this week. Even if the 40-car discount DOES happen, we're gonna be paying almost 1200 bucks just in entries. Our cars aren't worth half of that! Add in all the car updates we're s'posed to do for this event, tires, gas, etc, and we could've purchased a whole frigging stable of Mazda rotaries!

At least I will be able to reflect on my brief taste of performance rally when I'm old and gray. I guess as long as I'm poor I'll be more likely to make it that long.

Kala:'(
 

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I agree that entry fees would be better if they were lower. Hell, even I recall the blessed day of sub $400 entry fee.

HOWEVER

As I am a rally devotee, I have scrimped, sratched, and clawed my money together to clamor just enough to pay my halfs of this and halves of that. I've washed cars and mowed lawns just like any 9 year old would trying to buy his (or her) first bicycle.It is my job, nay, my DUTY to continue supporting my sport until such time that the economics facilitate lower entry fees.

This is the first time in a while that Wild West has seen this type of support (and yes, I DO listen to the Funky Monkey 104.9! No one rocks Tacoma and Olympia harder!). If the teams perpetuate on NOT entering, then the sponsors will not come back. If the sponsors don't come back, the entry fees will go up more. If the entry fees go up more, then more teams won't come back. Pretty soon, there will be no feed system into ProRally (I choose not to debate if there IS one right now, i'm simply stating that there will be -zero- feed system should this happen) and then rally as a whole in the USA will collapse. Next thing you know, the pro-le-ralliat movement is destroyed as there will be no more woods to play in and go sideways.

Done deal, it's self perpetuating. You dont enter, prices will continue to go up. Odd how that works, isn't it?

So do your part, enter the race, listen to the radio (you can listen to them on the net at http://www.funkymonkey1049.fm/ ) and support your sport! Ask not what your sport can do for you, but what you can do for your sport!

http://www.funkymonkey1049.fm/timages/page/monkeyfresh.jpg

-Jason
 

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I scrape, too, but there are limits. I'm not saying that this will cause me financial hardship. The last five rallies did that. This one will be my downfall, like credit-maxxed-out, water-shut-off-notices, bein' a crackwhore under the bridge, I'm tellin' ya...ya don't understand if you've never been there kinda deal!

Sorry, folks, but I WILL hold my own in this fine capitalist patriarchy, so my mortgage must come first.

I know y'all will argue that one CAN eat, sleep, and breathe mud...show me how to package it and sell it.

Just please don't tell me I don't do enough to support racing in the northwest.

Kala
 

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>Sorry, folks, but I WILL hold my own in this fine capitalist
>patriarchy, so my mortgage must come first.

Agreed, sustaining day to day life is a higher priority. So then you will be coming to work the stages and help with the rally, yes?
 

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> Does anyone know why WW is so exspensive? I've talked
>with a half dozen ralliest all "not running because it's to
>exspensive", my self included.
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> If one reads the "Where are they now" thread they would
>see alot of folks aren't rallying anymore because "it's too
>exspensive"!!!
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> Entrent fee's have to come way down or the sport will die
>in the USA.
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> As always IMHO.

You could always go cone squishing...... that's cheap.

I think for the $600 it's quite cheap. The work the organizers do along with the volunteer's efforts, sanctioning body and insurance, the land owner's effort's and liability taken into account as well, it's very cheap.

$600.00 for a weekend of rallying in the PNW on excellent roads LEGALLY, with insurance covering the event, and EMT people close by, I think it's a bargin. I also think anyone that disagrees is either not seeing the whole picture, or has simpley lost the desire to rally and pinned it on event costs. Rallying is expensive, anyway you slice it, but complaining about costs is counter productive, and (I fear)will only serve to agitate organizers, who work awfully damn hard for no economic return. This is the last group of people we want to piss off.

Maybe rally is more expensive than it was five, ten, fifteen years ago, but is it that out of wack with reality considering the age in which we live(and the state)? $600.00 to much, really?

How much should a rally cost to get you to come out? You kicked some ass the last time you ran.


Peter
 

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No, even though we have terrific roads for the entry fee, and the backing of SCCA, and great insurance and fabulous sponsors-even though it's more fun than I can almost stand being part of the Fling Pu team and seeing the raw enthusiasm and love of the sport, even though we get to be part of one of the very best darn clubs in the good ol USA. When I see folks letting the rent go so they can meet ever-more-stringent safety rules, when I see guys wince when they're told they have to buy a new helmet next year cause this one's going to be out of date, when I know that every penny of every check between now and then is earmarked for a car part -- and then find out that the entry fee is not $450, not $500, but nearly $600 IF you get it paid early -- it really hurts but you just have to say "maybe next time". Mama-san
 

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I think the big cost is insurance. Insurance cost varies with the number of coefficients, right? How much cheaper would the weekend be if it consisted of two coefficient 2 events instead of two coefficient 3 events?
I realize this is fewer miles, but if it was a material cost savings, it might be worth it for most competitors.
It's probably too late for this year, but I'm just trying to come-up with a way to reduce cost for 2005.
I'm in for 2004, but I understand those who aren't.
Dave
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This is still a better deal than any ProRally, and a better deal than most ClubRallies on a per-mile basis. Good roads too!
Dave
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>I agree that entry fees would be better if they were lower.
>Hell, even I recall the blessed day of sub $400 entry fee.
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After the 1973 Sno*Drift(the first Pro Rally), we circulated a questionnaire to competitors. One question was, "Would you pay $50 to enter a Pro Rally?" The entry fee that year had been $40, but the rally lost money, making the Detroit Region Board unhappy. I suggest, if you think rally is expensive, that you investigate other racing series. You will find them all expensive. We became spoiled over the years, and now reality has caught up to us. I'm not sure I have any answers, but I'm relatively sure the good old days are(sadly) gone forever.
 

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>I think the big cost is insurance. Insurance cost varies
>with the number of coefficients, right? How much cheaper
>would the weekend be if it consisted of two coefficient 2
>events instead of two coefficient 3 events?
>I realize this is fewer miles, but if it was a material cost
>savings, it might be worth it for most competitors.

According to the forms posted on the SCCA site in the rally section:

Insurance per car:
Coefficient 1 $67
Coefficient 2 $81
Coefficient 3 $91

So insurnace is $10 more per car because it a Coefficient 3. Also keep in mind that insurance is for the week end so the cost covers both events.

Also Sanction Fees are as follows:

Coefficient 1 $125 plus $5 per car for 11 cars or more.
Coefficient 2 $175 plus $10 per car for 15 cars or more.
Coefficient 3 $275 plus $15 per car for 20 cars or more.

So if Wild West had 30 cars and was a Coefficient 2 the sanction cost would be $325. If it had 30 cars and was a Coefficient 3 sanction cost would be $425. The represents a $3.33 increase per car.

So by being two Coefficient 3's, and assuming a 30 car field, Wild West's Sanction and Insurance costs increase by $16.67 per car.

It seems to me this is more than reasonable for the additional miles.

Thanks
Simon Levear

PS Dave Hintz, Please do not take my above comments as a flame on you. It is certainly not my intent to do that. You asked what the costs would be and I am trying to answer your question. I think it is a very reasonable question to ask.
 

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hmmm. So let me see.... $450 (a reasonable entry fee, and normal for this event - see past history) plus $16.67 . . . . Seems less than $650 but maybe I missed something? Also, when I look at other performance rallies, even the ones with the Pros, I'm hard pressed to find one at this level of the stratosphere in terms of cost. There must be something else. I've sent off a note to Sue Robinson, the SCCA Performance Rally Manager, asking how they arrive at the entry fee number. I'll post an explanation when it arrives. Mama-san:'(
 

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The entry is set by the organizers, in this case John Forespring and the rest of the usual suspects listed in the sups. They do need to at least cover their costs and hopefully have a little left over to help pay for things like the awards banquet and so on.

The SCCA gets paid the sanction and insurance fee that Simon outlined above, the rest goes to cover the organizers costs, in short Sue has nothing to do with setting the entry. They organizers have to pay for everything from postage to road repair costs from the entry, not just insurance to the SCCA.

If John thinks entry needs to be $500-600 to cover costs then I trust that is what he needs, I?m sure he is not using the profits to buy beach front property in Hawaii.

I?ll be there, got my maps, Carey is more than a ready and there is a new demon engine in the USX...
 
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