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Matt-

If your car has an SCCA logbook, is legal SCCA, and has had its annual, then you are CARS legal (and vice versa for Canadian cars in the US). There is reciprocity between CARS & SCCA for car prep rules. That said, you should probably still talk with Terry or Linda. You also NEED to have your SCCA rulebook with you (in the car).

Come to RCM Wednesday, and we can discuss.

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Right, I've read and understand the SCCA legal car for events... But I am interested in scoring points, and was under the impression(?) that for points in the Canadian Champ, the car had to be CARS legal, and I had to have a Canadian Lic. (with the first aid etc..) No problem....

Except, my car is 1.50x.95 tubing... Below the minimun CARS requirements.

I was trying to get ahold of someone to verify it, and see about getting my car legal without a new cage. Mine is pretty comprehensive. Just a touch too small!

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>Right, I've read and understand the SCCA legal car for
>events... But I am interested in scoring points, and was
>under the impression(?) that for points in the Canadian
>Champ, the car had to be CARS legal, and I had to have a
>Canadian Lic. (with the first aid etc..) No problem....

Correct. You need a CARS license (with the medical form and first aid) to be able to score points in the Canadian Rally Championship (CRC)

>Except, my car is 1.50x.95 tubing... Below the minimun CARS
>requirements.
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>I was trying to get ahold of someone to verify it, and see
>about getting my car legal without a new cage. Mine is
>pretty comprehensive. Just a touch too small!

You need to talk to the Technical Director, Paul Westwick [email protected] or Terry Epp [email protected]

I believe that you need to meet the current CARS cage rules if the car was logbooked after Jan 1, 2000. If it was before that, then 1.50 x 0.095 was only legal for cars under 1500 pounds. (II C 2 l ii)

Take a look at www.carsrally.ca under Documents. This has the relevant part of the rulebook (Part B section 2), although it doesn't have the appendix with the old rules.

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Matt

I know that this cage thing is only a temporary hurdle. Keep your mind fixed on the goal. Don't give up.

You must race in Canada.

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Matt- I assume you are coming to RCM tonight... We can help you with your questions/ideas ...I'll bring my CARS rulebook too.
 

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Matt-

You're an american and you want to run in Canada for points in addition to running in America for points, right?

I ask because your situation is exactly one that I think we need to address - Canadian licencees can compete for points in the US on Canadian licences as long as they are also SCCA members (not licencees). I think we're being unfair to Americans in Canada.

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Matt,

How much does the car weigh? What material was used? Was it welded properly? Are the bends smooth? If I remember correctly Racecraft in MI built it, correct (white Civic)? I know they have good craftsmanship. If you can prove that the cage can withstand the forces you are OK.

You are right, you need a good ME. How much time do you have?

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This should answer most of the questions...

The car is 2160lbs, maybe a touch more now with power steering added.
Racecraft cage. Top quality.
1.50x.95 DOM

I have plenty of time. I plan to do Tall Pines this year, and most of the events next year. I dont need points at pines this year, so.. Like 4-5 months?

Here is some pics for everyone..

http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/apillar.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/apillarf.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/front.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/rear.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/rearmount.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/side.jpg
http://www.inspire-solutions.com/pics/sidebars.jpg

Edit, note these pics were before the seat brackets were welded in, they are part of the cage, and doesnt show the strut bars etc...

I dont have a doubt it can withstand 2160 x 7.5 or so. I just gotta prove it!
 

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Not a damn thing wrong with that cage.

I have an employee with a 96 civic(well, he had it), he had build his cage before he started working for me from 1.5"X.095" 4130, MiG welded.

He crashed big while practicing and it was the most violent crash I have ever seen. I yanked it out of the creek while wild boy got an MRI, real bad crash. Not one usable part on the car left at all.

The car looked like it was shrink wrapped around the cage. There was one MASSIVE impact to the main hoop driver side, and a lot of other big impacts all over the car. Every single tube in the car was slightly bent, No cracks anywhere. I say the cage did it's job 100% perfectly, it deflected enough to absorb energy and did not allow any portion of the car to deform enough to compromise the occupants.

1.75 X .120 wall is overkill.


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