[nialld]

hi all

please somebody direct me to the proper section in the rulebook that says you can be thrown out for speeding ....other than the section 8.4 which clearly refers to exceeding the speed limit at Observation Controls...

i also read the supp regs for stpr...and cant see anything in there either...

regards

niall d

 

[Trevor Donison]

>hi all
>
>please somebody direct me to the proper section in the
>rulebook that says you can be thrown out for speeding
>....other than the section 8.4 which clearly refers to
>exceeding the speed limit at Observation Controls...
>
>i also read the supp regs for stpr...and cant see anything
>in there either...
>
>regards
>
>niall d

I think 8.5 is about "unsportsmanlike conduct" you could make that fit most anything.

 

[wahl]

I don't claim to know anything about your position, or speed,
or citation, but here some thoughts:

I suspect they will claim to have used 8.2 and the "event steward"
applied an alternate penalty as "warrented by the offence";

Or they will claim "operating in an unsafe manner" as specified by 8.2.A.4 and note that law enforcement acts as an "O" control.
('O' controls 7.4.F)

You might however have cause to appeal as there are clearly
defined time penalties for traffic citations 'other than
speeding', the time penalties in the rules in 8.2.A.4 refer to an
"O" control, not a traffic citation for speeding.

Note that they may have allowed such an appeal and then applied time penalty for your position based on your citation. See the chart in 8.2.a.4 for the actual penalty.

However all appeals must be filed within 30 minutes as I recall.
Or intent to appeal in writing, to be exact, and 1/2 the appeal fee.
$100.

Hope this helps in some way.

Ed

 

[nialld]

thanks

we are just trying to understand the rules...as they are in the rule book...
and i cannot see where it says that a competitor if caught speeding, other than at an O control may be excluded..

as for unsafe manner

this is also under the section that applies to O control..

again we dont really want to cause friction...
we just need to understand the process...

and if someone replies dont speed...that does nothing to answer the question..
because the next expulsion could be for something other than speeding,
that a particular individual deems to be unsafe manner

regards
niall d

 

[daphne]

Niall -

Check your rr.com mail.

- Daphne

 

[wahl]

>and if someone replies dont speed...that does nothing to answer the question.. because the next expulsion could be for something other than speeding, that a particular individual deems to be unsafe manner


You are correct. The rules are unclear in this area to be sure.
Probably from when the sport was much smaller, and never
needed to be updated. As it grows, everything needs to be
clarified.

Ed

 

[Guest]

I assume...

Hi, Niall,

I assume your question relates to John D's DQ. If so, I can tell you (because I was there watching) that Dan C handed John some paperwork right after John climbed out of the car. In fact, John was reaching back into the car when Dan came up behind him and touched him on the shoulder, with a form in the other hand.

The reason I mention it is that you should be able to look at the form and see which specific rule was used in JD's case to justify the DQ.

If my assumption is invalid, then disregard.

John D (a different JD!)

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John Dillon John @ WidgetRacing.com
www.WidgetRacing.com

 

[rjb]

RE: I assume...

John,

John Drislane was simply told he was excluded because of the ticket he received earlier in the day. He was not handed written confirmation nor was he verbally told under which specific rule he was excluded.

Ronan
(John's co-driver)