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Several reasons among which is that it was organized out of Dallas which is only 580 miles away. Also, the ranch was sold into little ranchettes and another ranch was sold to the state as a park.
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There were three issues with Big Bend Bash.

It gained a reputation as a car killer. Big Bend Bash has the distinction of being the Pro Rally with the fewest number of finishers (2), and typically some of the smallest fields.

It was far away for everyone from both the West Coast and the Midwest.

It happened at a bad time of the year. If you ran BBB and destroyed the car, there wasn't really enough time to get it repaired in time for Happiness is Sunrise, Sunriser and POR. Killing your car at BBB meant that you meant at least two, and maybe three, really good events.
 

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>Killing your car at BBB meant that you meant at least two,
>and maybe three, really good events.

lol. sorta acropolis. but they kept it in WRC.
seems like prescott is the only tough rally out there?

i have never done a ss in my life but know the reason
for rally car racing. all conditions.
 

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Alex, Would have to disagree with you about Prescott being a rough rally. This year's event was very smooth. If they keep the same roads for 2004, I'll be back with MY car!
 

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>>Killing your car at BBB meant that you meant at least two,
>>and maybe three, really good events.
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>lol. sorta acropolis. but they kept it in WRC.
>seems like prescott is the only tough rally out there?
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>i have never done a ss in my life but know the reason
>for rally car racing. all conditions.


Sunriser and POR both could be car breakers. POR because it was so long and there were plenty of places to make mistakes.

Sunriser in the early days had a split personality.

The first section of Sunriser could be nasty, running through creeks and all sorts of challenges. (Take a look at Harvey's off on Fred's Stage on rallyalmanac.com.) There was one stage that you literally ran down a creek for about half a mile or more.

Eric Jones, the early clerk of course, did it to get rid of unprepared cars and to get rid of people who shouldn't be there.

The last two sections were really nice forest roads, but they were the type of roads that if you made a mistake, you could hurt yourself.

I always remember HIS as being smooth but dusty. Essentially, HIS was today's STPR roads.
 

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wow, down a creek. thats almost paris-dakar stuff.

thanks for the responce.

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In the old days, a number of organizers wanted to give their rallies their own "personality" and you had various things you do not have today, e.g. purposeful car killer "goat paths" for roads, excessive endurance runs, little service time and sending service crews on their own endurance marathons with potentially dangerous service locations (on the sides of major roads and highways).

While the rallies still have a bit of their own personality (you would not mistake a Maine Forest event with a STPR, etc.) the SCCA has "homogenized" other elements and, overall, this is a great improvement.

Pro and Club Rally is not "OFFROAD Desert Racing" and should never be confused with same.

If you like goat paths, try the Baja or motorcycle Trials.

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>There were three issues with Big Bend Bash.
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>It gained a reputation as a car killer. Big Bend Bash has
>the distinction of being the Pro Rally with the fewest
>number of finishers (2), and typically some of the smallest
>fields.
And we liked it that way.
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>It was far away for everyone from both the West Coast and
>the Midwest.
This is the real reason we were given for BBB not being a PRO Rally although it continued as a Divisional or ClubRally for several years. It was too far away from a major media outlet to have good advertising value.

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>It happened at a bad time of the year. If you ran BBB and
>destroyed the car, there wasn't really enough time to get it
>repaired in time for Happiness is Sunrise, Sunriser and POR.
>Killing your car at BBB meant that you meant at least two,
>and maybe three, really good events.
February is the ONLY time of year to risk being out in the desert. Of course, the Big Bend area gets only about 5 inches of rain a year. But once in a while it occurs on Saturday.
 

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>In the old days, a number of organizers wanted to give their
>rallies their own "personality" and you had various things
>you do not have today, e.g. purposeful car killer "goat
>paths" for roads, excessive endurance runs, little service
>time and sending service crews on their own endurance
>marathons with potentially dangerous service locations (on
>the sides of major roads and highways).
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>While the rallies still have a bit of their own personality
>(you would not mistake a Maine Forest event with a STPR,
>etc.) the SCCA has "homogenized" other elements and,
>overall, this is a great improvement.
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>Pro and Club Rally is not "OFFROAD Desert Racing" and should
>never be confused with same.
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>If you like goat paths, try the Baja or motorcycle Trials.



If you like sprint races where the folks with the most money win, today's events are just perfect. NHRA on gravel.

Nascar has more strategy than you'll find in today's rallying.

And that's the tragedy.
 
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