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There are endless discussions of the price advantages of this or that and they are all really stoooopid when nobody EVER posts what the cars they are actually using cost in intial purchase
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This is related to the whole subject of what it makes sense to build:

Some contend that insurance write off Sub-a-rats are "cheap" but what does a 02 Sub-a-rat WRX cost as a write off, what does it cost to make it straight?
I read on some ssite from a PGT Subie driver who flipped at Oregon that it would cost about $4000 to make it all 'purdy' again, and that was a little roll.

I HAVE seen that the bulk of the 98 and onwards Subies at several friend who by insurance write-offs that a distressingly high number have samcked into things straight on (little 'invincible' twerps tailgating?) and that a high percentage have broken cam sprockets, and that has meant instant bent valves, so what does that add to the ticket for you guys out there?
And if you got some sooooper-killer lucky deal, what is the typical price for a smacked Subu-bishi or M

To get started I'll post the dollar figures of some cars where I know the actual price:

Skye Poier, BC: Xratty........$250
Scott Koch, Seattle: Xratty........$200
Derek Bottles, Seattle: VW Golf II....$400
My old Saab.........$0
My Xratty........$800
Nick Goode, Calgary: Xratty........$500
Dave sharp, Calgary: Xratty........$500
Kirby Reed, Vancouver: Volvo 240.......$0

Scott Manley, Spokane: Xratty........?? Probably $100 or less


Let's finally put real dollars spent on the table and stop talking generalities.




John Vanlandingham
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Both were nice PNW cars with little to no rust.

'86 MR2 $1100... Rally car build cost ~ $4k.

'95 Impreza Coupe $1500... Rally car build cost ~ $5.5k

Of course I DNF a lot though... :)
 

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I paid for $300 for my turbo RX-7, then spent 5-6K to build. Pretty respectable for sumtin I have run a year now, 2 2nd OA, 1 championship, and priceless amounts of fun. I can't imagine having someone other than myself building. I've had as much fun building it as I've had racing it! It is the epitomy of GF, sadly doesn't fit. But I could build a n/a for cheaper. Couldn't have more fun than I've had this las year.
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$1200 for the S10 I started my project with, had a good aluminum head V8 already swapped in.

We can all buy these things cheap, but the REAL cost is the labor we put in. How many hours does it REALLY take to build a rally car? Anybody timed their build-up?

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Building:

1993 Escort GT parts car (damnned mice) $25
1991 Escort GT running car $300 (including gas and trailer rental to go a few hundred miles to get it)
1991 Ford Escort Tracer ELECTRICAL VACUUM SHOP MANUAL $12.95
1991 Ford Escort Shop manual $25.50
BREMBO OEM Brake Disc Mazda 2Front 2Rear NGK Spark Plug Mazda 4 $126.37

Thats it. I figure that if a rally car thats built comes along, I'll still have a decent car to put around in.

The roll cage wont go in until July of next year (thats when the driver/welder/mechanic gets back from Kalifornia.)

Of course, my soon-to-be is filing for a divorce this week...plans may change! ;(
 

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'85 VW GTI 8v - $800.

I didn't time the build up, but the strip-down of the shell alone took over 100hrs. Most of that was picking **** out of the seams. I could probably do it somewhat faster now though.
 

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'93 impreza 4-door 1.8 2wd never hit, rust-free one-owner school teacher.
$800 ebay.
2001 impreza RS 5K miles "drop out" (all running gear to the hubs) bent RF arm and bad rack.
$2000 ebay.
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85 XR - $850 with T5 tranny
Build cost will probably be around $10-12K when it's done. Will have a snorting motor, nice big brakes with dual masters, will be light, will have a proper rear diff with good ratio straight cut box, will be fun to drive, will be strong, and will be cheap to beachball. In the first month I owned the car I was offered one for $100 and another for free. No where to store them at that time but as soon as I finish the build I am going to start prepping the spare shell.
 

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95 Subaru Impreza 1.8 L AWD - $750. Was hit in front that bent the front left frame rail, but the car was running before. Not sure how much it would have cost to repair that individual problem since it was straightened and strengthened while the cage was built.
 

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This is a fun thread to read. One might be lead to believe rallying is less expensive than flying paper airplanes.
 

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>This is a fun thread to read. One might be lead to believe
>rallying is less expensive than flying paper airplanes.
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Well, it is less expensive that flying paper airplanes. Assuming you are making your airplanes out of $100 bills and sending them off the roof of an office building.:7
 

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JV asked for the intial cost - it appears that most folks get their basic shells cheap. It is the arm and a leg that goes in after that makes the difference. I made the mistake (?!) of keeping track of what I spend, and it's quite scary - especially considering the damn things is not done yet!
 

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I love guys who find a "one-off" deal. They find a car that should be 10 grand for 1500 bucks and can't resist. They never think that the shell is just another replacement part and what it might cost to REPLACE it.

And hence we have guys building their dream cars, crashing, and not coming back.

re: Budget: Figure what you're gonna spend on a season, TRIPLE IT, and then choose a car accordingly.
 

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The replace-ability of the shell was my main concern. And the cost of cool drivetrain components. I had a Impreza that I bought for $1000 that I was thinking about building but sold it and bought the XR based on quite a few factors. The $20,000 dream car in it's class versus the $45,000 was a big one.
 

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>This is a fun thread to read. One might be lead to believe
>rallying is less expensive than flying paper airplanes.
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it would lead me to believe that a decent rally car can be built for between 6500 and 10000. and a good one will be between 10-15000 and a great one will be anywhere north of 15,000 if you do as much as posible yourself.
 

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>Well, it is less expensive that flying paper airplanes.
>Assuming you are making your airplanes out of $100 bills and
>sending them off the roof of an office building.:7

I'll betcha flying paper airplanes (made of regular paper, not c-notes) would have a larger TV audience than rally. Now there is a sponsorship option for those frustrated trying to get money to go rallying.

I know, I know.... heresy!
 

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1987 VW Golf shell $300
Cage tubing, plates and welding supplies $600
Seats $800
Brakes and lines $400
Steering wheel $130
Harnessess $450
Fire extinguishers $80
Shifter stuff $120
Spill kit $30
First aid kit $30
Cage padding $60
Tranny rebuild with R&P and LSD $2200
New radiator and hoses $300
Plastic $80
Intercom $120
Odo $230
Lights $400
Paint $500+
roof vents $40
rear shocks and springs $500
Front struts and springs $1000
New driveshafts $350
motor $1500
Tires----$500 for 6 tires to start...
Helmet $250
gloves $40
Shoes--free
Driving suit---free

That is $10,980 not including all of the misc repair parts, bulbs, fuses, spray paint, RTV, grinding wheels, wire wheels, drill bits, sandpaper.....etc etc
Estimated Miscilaneous other $1500--2000+

Aside from Paint, NEW tires, and motor there really isnt anything that could be left of this list that would still allow the car to be rallied without worrying about it constantly breaking or being really boring to drive. And this is just an old Golf with 90% of the labor performed DIY style and very few "trick" parts.

The first motor put in the car was a DIY rebuild for about $400 but the crank ate the thrust bearings after a year and it went the way of the scrap heap....
 

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I think everyone should have good data:

My Total Cost is a bit complicated as it spans 2 cars:

First Golf $3000 (built rally car)
Motorsports Gearbox $4000
DMS $2800
Quaife Quick Rack $230
Bunch of little bits $400
My labor = 1 long day and night about 15 hrs.

First Rally car cost at its first rally = $10,430 Kept for 1 year

Bought new Shell for $400
Sold Old parts, Bilstines, Quaife diff, Motor, etc etc etc = -$2500
Sold Final Drive -$450

2nd Golf Cost as a shell including rally parts from old car: $7880
Cage and assorted work done by others $3000
Used Race Motor $3500
Burmister Bits $500
Seats, belts etc out of old car $0
brantz and Gray Tronics Intercom $375
VW Motorsports Plate Diff $1400
VW Motorsports Final Drive $450
Gearbox rebuild and install of above $600
Sold Spare stock Gearbox -$200
Sold Teraphone Intercom -$100
new glass $110

Cost of 2nd Golf at its first rally (this is my total cost including the first car less everything sold) = $17,515 So in year two I added about $7000 to the cost of the car.

My Labor 6 man days to stip car, take it to cage shop, pick it up, install all the parts from car 1 to car 2, wire, plumb, weld, fit new motor, gearbox, topmounts etc etc etc. I have no idea how people spend so much time on these things. I did it in 2 weekends and a few nights. Less than 30 days from the time I got the car to running frist rally.

Revissions to the current car in year 3:
sold quaife quick rack -$230
Installed 1.5 quickener and power steering parts $300 labor $500
Installed new skid pan mounts etc $300
Installed new shift kit, subframe, mounting points etc $500
Bought 4 new compmotive rims $550
Bought more dodge rims $100
new belts $500
New brakes $450
New box of used bits such a momo wheel etc $200
Car cost at the start of 2005 : = $20,685

Cost in 2005
New rear beam $60
New custome drive axles $1300
Bunch of little things done by others $700
Timing Belt, cover etc $300
New Pressureplate and Lightened flywheel $500

Toatal car cost with out operating cost as it sits now $23,545 but the investment was over 3 years.

I may have missed a few things but I think this is real close.
 
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