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Since 3, or roughly half, the rally's in the SEDiv are Tarmac Express, would it be worth it to get some tarmac only 16" wheels and some HUGE brakes? The brakes would be super easy to swap out, and not expensive since I know what donor cars to get them from. The wheels will be some $$$, but since you cant really have too big brakes for pavement maybe it'll be worth it?

What do you SEDiv guys that run all the TE races think? I'm thinking since the wheels will really be my only significant cost I'll probably do it.

Plus they will look dope, and fresh, and all my peeps will be jealous of my ride. I looked at some 20's, but they rub the fenders. ;)
 

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There is never enough brake on tarmac! I have yet to try my hand at tarmac express but I have done rallye Sanair as well as a track day at Pocono speedway and big sticky tires and massive brakes is the way to go! I spun at over 100 only because I ran out of brakes. At Sanair I used Kumho's victoracer 700 and all I can say is they are the shiz-nit! At full depth they were great in the wet and were outstanding in the dry. I ran 225/16's on my Audi 90 t/q. :)
 

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>Since 3, or roughly half, the rally's in the SEDiv are
>Tarmac Express, would it be worth it to get some tarmac only
>16" wheels and some HUGE brakes? The brakes would be super
>easy to swap out, and not expensive since I know what donor
>cars to get them from. The wheels will be some $$$, but
>since you cant really have too big brakes for pavement maybe
>it'll be worth it?

Yeah, brakes are a big deal at Tarmac Express. So many of the corners are straightaway-90 degree turn-straightaways, it gets the brakes really hot. But depending on what you drive (was it an XR4Ti? ), good race pads and brake cooling ducts along with a little bit of common sense regarding brake conservation will do the trick. BUT, if you've got the budget and/or parts, big brakes is good!!!
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>What do you SEDiv guys that run all the TE races think? I'm
>thinking since the wheels will really be my only significant
>cost I'll probably do it.

Well, wheels and tires. If it is the Merkur, email me, I may be able to find a steal on some big'uns for you.
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>Plus they will look dope, and fresh, and all my peeps will
>be jealous of my ride. I looked at some 20's, but they rub
>the fenders. ;)

Yo dawg, you wanna roll dubs, Josh can make them fit! He's the 20 inch wheel expert (or a porn star- dammit, I never can remember which...)

As for 50% of SE rallies being Tarmac, I am hearing rumors about some really badass gravel rallies being negotiated..... shhhhhhh!!!!!


;) Brian Flanagan
 

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Brian, don't panic. that link to the Hi-Spec brake place is hot sheeeeeeeut, the calipers are affordable and are radial mount, that makes the swap from say 285mm gravel spec to 315mm tarmac spec a matter of a different spacer/mount and of course the disc/bell set.
contact me for details.

Bimmerman makes a comment about 'conserving the brakes' or somthing, er um, don't know what he could be talking about, you must have a huge margin of over capacity in the brakes or you talking DANGER.

and you thinking 16", i know where there are som nice GpA Speedines from a 2wd Cos. Now these wheels are really competition wheels, not sorta strong street or hiway wheels. Again cheeper than you think, and way cool.

Do the Xr the way we've been talking and you'll have a car as fast as any in the country, you better get brakes to handle the speed.

Editorial time: The XR shares one interesting trait with the BowelMovementWonder, inadequate brakes for the stock useage, and way insufficient for vigourous use, and if somebody disagrees I will suggest in advance that they aren't using the brakes enough.
The front discs on my '69 SAAB 96 weighing 1950lbs and with a stock top speed of 91mph are larger diameter than the 2750+lb 130mph XR.
Hmmmmmm.














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>Brian, don't panic. that link to the Hi-Spec brake place is
>hot sheeeeeeeut, the calipers are affordable and are radial
>mount, that makes the swap from say 285mm gravel spec to
>315mm tarmac spec a matter of a different spacer/mount and
>of course the disc/bell set.
>contact me for details.

Oh, no panic here John. That was my toughts too, just different brackets and rotors and I can swap to some 315mm's.

>and you thinking 16", i know where there are som nice GpA
>Speedines from a 2wd Cos. Now these wheels are really
>competition wheels, not sorta strong street or hiway wheels.
>Again cheeper than you think, and way cool.
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>Do the Xr the way we've been talking and you'll have a car
>as fast as any in the country, you better get brakes to
>handle the speed.

Well, we already talked about gravel wheels, and if I did not have so many tarmac events I would just put some street tires on a set of my gravel 15's. Since there are a good number of tarmac events I figure one set of 16" wheels and some bigger brakes will be worth it if for no other reason than safety/peace of mind. I deffinately want as much brake as I can get, I like more "stop" than "go", and when you get me set up I'll need plenty of "stop".

On another note, my dad the Moostang show car guy is about to retire and move from St Louis to Pensacola. Yesterday he brought a trailer full of stuff they are moving down here and guess what was in it? His car rotisserie!! The XRatty is proably going up on it this weekend. :)
 

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Big brakes with good cooling are very nice at Tarmac. Notice the large number of cars with smoking or even buring at Tarmac?
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>Plus they will look dope, and fresh, and all my peeps will
>be jealous of my ride. I looked at some 20's, but they rub
>the fenders. ;)

Beat'um, cut'um, gut'um! lol Beating worked on the RallyBlazer, but she is a junker after all ;)
 

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Help!! My brakes are on FIRE!!

Yeah, the Blue Streak Celica was the funniest thing I've seen in a while. They finished a stage and there were BIG flames licking out through the wheels. I thought they had an engine fire there was so much smoke. Looked just like the WRC guys when they finish a stage and pull up to the time control and they do closeups of the brakes.
 

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brakes at Tarmac Express

Notice the Mustang, faster than every other car through the speed trap, but using stock sized front brakes? Notice the Mustang spinning 7 times? Notice the Mustang getting beat by a normally aspirated Subaru?:(
 

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carl blevins rigged an extra winsheild washer to his brake lights to water cool the calipers. i would use hawk blue pads, just watch the rotors. as for tires, the trick is going to be falken azenas, they are just as sticky as an r compound tire, a lot stronger, and best bet , i get them for 36 bucks a pop. i think if i can scroung the bank i am going to go with 16 or 17 inch wheels on the corolla for tarmac, i can get away with this because of my tranny though. i cant roll on 20's cause they isnt makin no tires fo it yet, shiiiii.
 
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