[Doug Woods]

As I peruse the posts in the USA and Canada Conferences this week, I find that the USA posts are all about NASA this, SCCA that, PRD this, PRB that, etc. While in the Canada posts we are talking about blasting rally cars through special stages in the heart of Ste-Agathe, Daman's rally party, drinking beer, racing fuel in the air, etc.

Are we doing something right north of the border?

Doug Woods

 

[Jim]

Yes.

 

[Carlos Lopez]

Absolutely... It's called C.A.R.S. ;-)

Carlos Lopez
E.T. Racing

 

[Eric T]

Bonjour

The Quebec cup now is for 2WD exclusively. 6 one day events, (2 winter, 1 tarmac, 3 on gravel, 2 with stage notes 'Québec and Draveurs' free, 4 are running with national).

On top of the party, beer, fun there is rally in Quebec come up north it's fun.

If you still have energy after the quebec cup championship you can top your season with the international rally of Charlevoix.

Hope to see all of you next year. BTW we're looking for the best 2WD driver in North america.

Is it you ?

Eric Tremblay
President RSQ

 

[JD Ackley]

Quebec is cool, but its tough when je ne'parle francais. Is there an english version of the Quebec cup site? Can gp 5 cars run for the championship?

 

[Don Kennedy]

A few words seem to say it all. I wonder what the rally forums in other countries/sanctioning bodies have as their main topics these days?

 

[John Vanos]

I could be wrong as I have not read the quebec championship rules, but I know in CARS there is no group 5 class. A group 5 car is placed in open class, so based on that I would say no, they cannot run for the championship as I thought that it was for 2wd NA only.

Somebody feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

 

[starion887]

If anyone ever suggests annexing the Great North, I will tell them NO; the folks up there have the sense to keep their great rally series unspoiled by wonton ambition.

Keep up the great work!

Mark B.

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

>I could be wrong as I have not read the quebec championship
>rules, but I know in CARS there is no group 5 class. A
>group 5 car is placed in open class, so based on that I
>would say no, they cannot run for the championship as I
>thought that it was for 2wd NA only.
>
>Somebody feel free to correct me if i'm wrong


That's a damn good question. Eric T - The way I read things a Gp5 car should actually be eligible for the Coupe de Quebec, no? Doesn't matter that it's open class, it's 2WD that's the criteria?

ACP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

PS those damn Canadians are too modest - it's a great series, and there are very few politics, ever. And three events with full pace notes. And tons of crazy Quebec fans. And cheap entry fees. And Tall Pines with terrific spectator events (and the "Tall Pines girls"). And female Quebecois fans. And 1hr primetime TV broadcasts in french and english. And two to four snow rallies every year (Charlevoix and Tall Pines you never know). And street studs allowed for Quebec regional competitors. And the top four cars within seconds of each other on every stage - could be anyone's rally these days. And old farts like Doug Woods standing at the split corners with a stopwatch timing you and saying "Good, but in '77 Vantanen was here in 8:34". And did I mention the female Quebecois fans?

A.

 

[zipperboy]

Andrew;

What do you mean by "THOSE" damn Canadians? Don't you know there's a reason why your first initial is Eh?


Dave

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

Shhhh! I'm trying to infiltrate down here!

EhCP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

 

[Brian Scott]

Hmmm, I'm always trying to infaltrate up there!

Brian

 

[Chris Powell]

http://www.britishrallyforum.co.uk/forum/default.asp

Most of their discussion is related to RALLY, too. Imagine that.

CP

 

[Don Kennedy]

>http://www.britishrallyforum.co.uk/forum/default.asp
>
>Most of their discussion is related to RALLY, too. Imagine
>that.
>
>CP
I would hope that it is related to rally, duh. The question is what in specific is hot related to rally (I'll check the link later when I'm done wading thru the SS topics }> )

 

[jandreini]

Short & sweet. In Canada, series sponsors help defray the costs of putting on the events, thereby keeping costs down for organizers and competitors. Factory and private entries all benefit.

In the US, this money goes to pay salaries and subsidize (yes, Virginia, it is true) the costs of Solo and Road Rally. Organizers and private entries get nothing. There is no benfit to any but the select few. This is the TRUE difference between our series. It is directly responsible for the differences in attitude and enjoyment by the majority of competitors and organizers.

 

[Doug Woods]

>In the US, this money goes to pay salaries and subsidize
>(yes, Virginia, it is true) the costs of Solo and Road
>Rally. Organizers and private entries get nothing. There is
>no benfit to any but the select few. This is the TRUE
>difference between our series. It is directly responsible
>for the differences in attitude and enjoyment by the
>majority of competitors and organizers.

Joe:

Having attended a number of CARS events over the last two years, I would say that there is another very significant difference. The CARS people and the rally organizers are generally former and/or current competitors. They all seem to have the good of the sport in mind and operate in a co-operative environment.

Doug Woods

 

[robin]

>This is the TRUE difference between our series.

Not to mention the fact that in the late 80s, we took our ball and played somewhere else (with a typically-Canadian lack of fanfare, drama or bickering). Canadian Association of RALLYsport. (I've still got my old CASC rally licence lying on top of my dresser somewhere...)

The thought that my fees might be used to subsidize cone-dodging - well...forget it.

Robin

EDIT: whoops - it was the early nineties wasn't it?

 

[Foghorn]

Robin,

Is CARS associated in any way with CASC or is it a completely stand-alone entity?

Oh, and Doug, thanks for rubbing it in.

Kent Gardam

 

[John Vanlandingham]

>>In the US, this money goes to pay salaries and subsidize
>>(yes, Virginia, it is true) the costs of Solo and Road
>>Rally. Organizers and private entries get nothing. There is
>>no benfit to any but the select few. This is the TRUE
>>difference between our series. It is directly responsible
>>for the differences in attitude and enjoyment by the
>>majority of competitors and organizers.
>
>Joe:
Thanks J.Andreni, glad you wrote it and not me!!
>
>Having attended a number of CARS events over the last two
>years, I would say that there is another very significant
>difference.

OI !=! HERE IT IS!!!!
RIGHT HERE1!!!!!
WAIT FOR IT!!!



---->>>>The CARS people and the rally organizers are
>generally former and/or current competitors.<<<<<<<------------- They all seem
>to have the good of the sport in mind and operate in a
>co-operative environment.
>
>Doug Woods
Yep, I've said it forever, experience DOES count, and SCCAs perverse policy of hiring people with appearantly NO EXPERTISE in the area they will be working is the root of why the administration of the sport is so Fooookt up.
Terry Epp served his time all over Canada for some years, I have been beer addled in the motel in Alberta the night before Rocky Mountain getting advice on the different timing systems, the guy was soooo helpful, taking his valuable time away from important beer drinking, to explain 2 or three times, the differences, even as we we distracted by Bo Skovronek's ARN-NOLD like accent trying to figure how fast his Volvo 240 Tubo had been that day.*

Look at things like questioneers sent to licence holders, some rudimentary voting, and general acknowledgement that it's a big counrty and there needs too be some help dealing with just that.
Isn't there some train or something that brings cars out west?

I say it's all possible because youse guys are all closet-sossies (what the hell is English slang for Socialists?? Socies? WTF!!)
Look at the color of that Leaf in your flag!!

Could it possibly be that the promotion of the sport and for that matter the organising is seen as neccasary _adjucts_ to the COMPETITION????? Rather than the alleged CENTRAL PURPOSE?

And as for other forums one big area of discussion is STUPID NEW RULES CREATED BY STUPID NON-COMPETITORS.
As always.


*After much beer, much discussion, lots of calculations, discussion of Bo's last name etc, the answer was 117mph. And he won the next day, that Volvo240 T was FAST!
And then there was more beer!


John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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[gplsek]

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