[jake himes]

The canadians have a pretty nice tow fund. I wonder how many additional entries to their events will be generated by that tow fund. To what extent is this tow fund putting money into the events' pockets. Will their $50,000 tow fund result in an additional $50,000 in gross revenues?

In other words, how much is a good tow fund worth to a series in terms of additional entries?

I'm sure this question has been asked before. I am interested in hearing the discussion.

 

[John Vanlandingham]

>The canadians have a pretty nice tow fund. I wonder how
>many additional entries to their events will be generated by
>that tow fund. To what extent is this tow fund putting
>money into the events' pockets. Will their $50,000 tow fund
>result in an additional $50,000 in gross revenues?
>
>In other words, how much is a good tow fund worth to a
>series in terms of additional entries?
>
>I'm sure this question has been asked before. I am
>interested in hearing the discussion.

No Jake I can't recall it being asked before.
Remember, recently the SCCA was under delusions of grandeur that the top level, the 'National Championship', was peopled with something called "Professional" drivers and teams when the fact was and is it is essentially full of people with LOTS of disposable income, so the need for assistance in terms of a tow fund would be relly not needed, or even thought of.

My limited experience with tow funds is also from Canada, the funds offered way back in 1987 and 1988 enabled a bunch of us Washington crews to make the drive waaaaaaaaay up into the deserted waste-lands of Alberta to do the Rocky Mountain Canajian National Championship Rally , and I would not have been able to do the event otherwise being a pooor 1 man shop and self sponsored, and I would not have had a nice 7th overall in my first National, and 7th event ever without it.
But of course it's those Canajians who are organised for the collective good, but we're not a bunch of pseudo-socialists/Marxist-Leninist uncreative lemmings following the lead of whoever tells them something is good.
No we're red blooded Americans and we all know the way to success: Corporate Sposorship!!!

I mean here you are asking about tow funds ferchrissakes!!!!
and you should be asking about how much money you'll be getting directly from Mattell for having stickers advertising childrens toys on yer car.
Do you want to destroy the burning hot Economic recovery we're in now?
Ruin the entire economic system of the whole country just so YOU can get to a couple of more rallies?

You want us to IMITATE another countrys' programs????!!!!

Just because they seem to be of benefit to EVERYBODY???

What would happen if everybody thought like that????



Jake, did ya ever notice what color the leaf is in the Canajian Flag?





John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

Black Rocket Rally Tires
http://www.blackrockettires.com/

 

[QUIG]

first off... John you kill me!! ... and as an answer to you Jake I live in Nova Scotia... thats just about as far in the east as you can get befor you have salt water in your pants!! I was only planning on attending the Pierce Neige Rally (round 1 in the national series) due to the large investment in travel costs for me personally. With the new travel fund I will recoup enough cash to at least get to 2 more events on the national calander ( providing the car stays together ) so for me it will be a huge help .I would be interested in hearing about the teams closer to the middle of the country on the fund allowing them to attend more events??

 

[jandreini]

Why don't we ask our national sponsor. Surely they are contributing something of benefit to the competitor and organizer.}>

 

[FMF]

>The canadians have a pretty nice tow fund. I wonder how
>many additional entries to their events will be generated by
>that tow fund. To what extent is this tow fund putting
>money into the events' pockets. Will their $50,000 tow fund
>result in an additional $50,000 in gross revenues?
>
>In other words, how much is a good tow fund worth to a
>series in terms of additional entries?
>
>I'm sure this question has been asked before. I am
>interested in hearing the discussion.

I am quite sure they are not looking at it in terms of direct ROI for the season but rather for the long haul more people will run the series and it will develop the series for the future then they can get corprate sponsorship because they have something to sell that is competative and exciting. My 0.02

 

[randyzimmer]

Do they prime the pump?
yes.
without the train, I would have never gone to Rocky last year.
(so travel help in any form, in my mind, equals a "tow fund")
I changed jobs and didn't have the pull to ask for the time off so I opted for the ESRC this year, without the ESRC option, I would have certainly taken the CDN over SCCA series simply because of the tow fund.
The lower entry, knowlegable organizers and great roads are just a perk.
rz
add...
the ESRC has a deeper field and is more competitive below the top than the CDN and - dare I say - comparable to the SCCA from top to bottom.
We'll see for sure at STPR.

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>Do they prime the pump?
>yes.
>without the train, I would have never gone to Rocky last
>year.
>(so travel help in any form, in my mind, equals a "tow
>fund")

Between the tow fund and the train there is enough incentive to allow us to (probably) make all of the championship events this year - it does depend a bit on how much extra time the recce adds to the events that choose to offer it (especially since I intend to be at all the SCCA eastern nationals as well).

Now if we could just arrange it so that the western CARS events aren't both the weekend before an eastern SCCA event...
(Rocky-STPR, Pac.Forest-LSPR)

Adrian

 

[starion887]

Let's see.....you give someone $200 for towing, and get a $500 entry fee? The net is $300 to the organizer; extra printing costs, road use fees, and insurance fees probably do not amount to that. Most of the rest of the expenses are going to be paid as long as you actually hold the event, with or without extra entries. So, this looks like a net overall to the organizers.

Mark B.

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>Let's see.....you give someone $200 for towing, and get a
>$500 entry fee? The net is $300 to the organizer; extra
>printing costs, road use fees, and insurance fees probably
>do not amount to that. Most of the rest of the expenses are
>going to be paid as long as you actually hold the event,
>with or without extra entries. So, this looks like a net
>overall to the organizers.

Mark;

The RDG tow fund for CARS events is coming out of sponsorship money, rather from event entry fees. There is also, apparently, financial support for the events from the same source. Added to that, we have a sponsored rail transportation program to get the rally cars across the country.

Adrian

 

[spoier]

Not only that, but the government will take care of you if you crash and hurt yourself. Cool eh?

Skye "Pinko" Poier