[JohnLane]

Alas, that is the question.........
Still no word from SCCA about whether or not I will have a sandbox to play in with SCCA.
NO CLUB RALLY; NO RENEWAL OF MY MEMBERSHIP WITH SCCA.
How about the rest of you???
We follow the money for finding how to fix things......
Hmmmmmm.........
I realize that we are one drop in SCCA's bucket; but our drop in this bucket is the only one with a TV package.....But still no title sponser. Hmmmmmmm.........
Thoughts?
John Lane
Viva Le Pro Le Ralliat

 

[RichardM]

>>I realize that we are one drop in SCCA's bucket; but our
>drop in this bucket is the only one with a TV
>package.....But still no title sponser. Hmmmmmmm.........
>Thoughts?
>John Lane
>Viva Le Pro Le Ralliat
Uh John, the Club racing championship is on TV. Called the Runoffs. ProRacing gets occasional TV like TransAm. I have even heard rumors of the Solo National Championships getting a TV deal.

As to renewal of SCCA membership, find us a good alternative. As an alternate, everyone who is involved with performance rally should transfer their voting membership to a single region. Then all we have to do is vote. For example Texas region has 1217 members. The Southwest Division has maybe 4000 members. But most people don't vote. So if we all join Texas, Houston and Lone Star regions, we could elect our own member to the national Board of Directors.
Richard

 

[RallyGTX]

My renewal is sitting here unopened.

I don't see the point of sending them some coin when I can't use my license for anything.

Once they open the sandbox.....who knows

The silence from the SCCA speaks volumes

Matt Manspeaker
Seattle, WA USA
89 323GTX - OPEN
97 Escort Cosworth - WIDE OPEN

 

[tom grossmann]

If you want to sit on your membeship renewal it is no big deal - SCCA will back date the dues to your expiration date. So if you have a wait and see attitude it will cause you no harm.
Now having everyone change there region of record in order to get a Rally person on the BOD well this is very deviuos and I must admit I'm impressed , this could work very well.

Tom
PS I have yet to send mine.

 

[HackerAce]

Hmm... let's see. What is in the pile of unopened mail this week... Visa applications, home mortgage refinance, appeals from various charities, SCCA membership renewal , SCCA club rally license renewal x(, various catalogs...

It all looks like recycling to me, none of it is really very useful at this point. Maybe I'll save the SCCA stuff. You never know I might want to re-join this organization at some point.

Until then just call me hill-climbing, cone killing, ex-club rally man! }>

 

[Lancia037Rally]

Mine sits unopened.

Having a ball with my CARS license though.

 

[MDBodnar]

no one commented yet on how much money the SCCA could save by sending one renewal notice for Membership and License

I suggest it every year.

not a business, not a club, makes for quite the mess

 

[Carlos Lopez]

As I pay for the membership for my whole team(and their respective licenses)I have yet to send any of them in awaiting some "divine" sign. However, I am currently considering CARS. Doesn't it say somewhere that you still need to be an SCCA member in order to compete in SCCA sanctioned events, even if you have someone elses competition license? Seems to me that they have you by the proverbial "family jewels" as far as this issue is concerned. I remember that back in'97 they made me pay for the full year, even though 11 months had gone by before they gave me back my license for the next calendar year. It was highway robbery, but I was not in the mood to argue with them. I wanted to compete in a bad way.

Anyway, if I could compete in SCCA sanctioned events WITHOUT having to belong to the club or having their competition license, then I am all for it. They want to control everything and have their hands in everybody's pocket. I can come up with 5 examples right off the bat but this is would be good for another topic.

Carlos Lopez
E.T. Racing
Car # 151

 

[custom1motorsports]

Sounds like a lot of money for a subscription to sportscar!



Chris Beebe
#224 datsun 510

 

[RichardM]

> Sounds like a lot of money for a subscription to
>sportscar!
>
>
>
> Chris Beebe
> #224 datsun 510
So do other things in SCCA. Makes it easier to take over.:+

 

[wbp]

Renew.
ClubRally should be going soon after you receive your new card. I put one on the schedule for August 10 yesterday, with confidence.

I don't complain about not being told what is going on - I call and ask. Toll free. A lot of members, from every Division, are working hard on the project.

And as Richard says, don't fail to sample some of the other things we do. Weekend after next our Chattanooga Region will have a RallyCross Saturday, with a Road Rally leaving there and ending at a party (food provided by our ClubRally Steward). And on Sunday we will do a Tarmac RallyCross. (Our Solo II people call it Autocross but our rally folks say they know better - it's Tarmac RallyCross).

 

[AlanPerry]

>As I pay for the membership for my whole team(and their
>respective licenses)I have yet to send any of them in
>awaiting some "divine" sign. However, I am currently
>considering CARS. Doesn't it say somewhere that you still
>need to be an SCCA member in order to compete in SCCA
>sanctioned events, even if you have someone elses
>competition license? Seems to me that they have you by the
>proverbial "family jewels" as far as this issue is
>concerned.
>
>Anyway, if I could compete in SCCA sanctioned events WITHOUT
>having to belong to the club or having their competition
>license, then I am all for it.

Unfortunately, Article 2.1.A.1, part of the article that lists eligibility requirements, says that all competitors must be SCCA members.

Also, according to Article 2.1.A.2, you must be a Canadian resident to run SCCA events on a CARS license. The only way out is a FIA license, but I don't think those are valid for regional events. Actually, from the FIA's point of view, I thought the FIA license was only good for FIA-listed international events.

alan
SCCA ProRally and CARS National license holder

 

[Tony GTS]

Renewal,
Mine is on the holding tray too!
By not renewing our Club Rally License and membership, Maybe SCCA will start acting a little quicker to solve the problem and hopefully SCCA will notice the impact financially. Membership and License dues are not peanuts if you put the numbers together. I really think that ClubRally membership are greater than ProRally!

Regrding back dues, if your not really concern about the "Since 19XX" member date, I don't, then sign up for another membership and License form and it will take effect on the process date (12 months from date filled).

Ex-SCCA ClubRally member for now!


Tony Dela Cuesta
Team DC Autosport

 

[RichardM]

>Renewal,
>Mine is on the holding tray too!
>By not renewing our Club Rally License and membership, Maybe
>SCCA will start acting a little quicker to solve the problem
>and hopefully SCCA will notice the impact financially.
>Membership and License dues are not peanuts if you put the
>numbers together. I really think that ClubRally membership
>are greater than ProRally!

If you are not a member, you have zero voice. While member retention is important to both the national office and the local region, I am afraid that overall our numbers are a small percentage.
Richard

 

[SagSert]

Richard,

What good does the unheard woice do when you are a member ?
Or maybe they have sellective hearing, maybe they don't like what they hear, maybe they don't have an intelligent response. Who knows maybe they simply don't care.

I too have both envelopes sitting on my desk however my FIA licence is on it's way.

Cheers

M.Samli

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

 

[saywhat]

Again not to be flogging a dead horse, however we subcribe to SCCA for a service and currently that service is not being provided, at least to club rally members at club only events. Further more there is no idea of when the service will be provided.

Else where on this forum there is a thread about customer service from "DMS". Many of the same comments/feelings apply to the club rally situation. Lack of communication to the rallyist = lack of customer service = distrust which is leading to despair.

KS has mentioned that he would welcome another sanctioning body. Is this what we are being driven too?
SJ has mentioned that he wants all motorsport license in the USA to be granted/membership from SCCA.

Clearly the two are not on the same page yet are the people in charge.

I spend my earnings on SCCA for performance rally. I do not care who offers me performance rally but rather that it is offered and affordable-something that I am not being offered at either point, rally or affordable.

Let make this clear: I do not care who sanctions rallies. I would like to have rallies at club level and affordable. That means entry fees below $250, including stage notes if offered ( I don't care).

I think most of the people I rally with would agree, this of course is just my opinion based on conversations.

So why should we pay for something we are not getting?

As always IMHO.

:+

 

[Widget Codriver]

Another sanctioning body?

> KS has mentioned that he would welcome another sanctioning body.

Whoa, I must've missed that. Where? When? While it makes good sense (ask Brad B. about the "three gas station rule" ) it would certainly surprise me if our marketing director made such a suggestion.

edited to remove the goofy emoticons

 

[saywhat]

RE: JD question

>> KS has mentioned that he would welcome another sanctioning body.
>
>Whoa, I must've missed that. Where? When? While it makes
>good sense (ask Brad B. about the "three gas station rule" )
>it would certainly surprise me if our marketing director
>made such a suggestion.
>
>edited to remove the goofy emoticons


John, I'm not exactly sure at this moment, however I believe if you review the notes I believe you made at the Rim round table 3-4 years ago KS made a comment that he "would welcome another sanctioning body". I remember the statement due to the fact it contradicts the company he works for and the service they are suppose to provide to the rally community.

You've got me interested in the "three gas station rule", care to share?

 

[midwestdesert]

> we subcribe to SCCA for a service and currently that service is not being provided,

Hey I say that's part of whats wrong with this entire country. Way too many Americans dole out their cash for inadequit services and or products and then just shrug their shoulders when they are displeased. Better to be lazy and go on a bit poorer than actually make waves and demand action. THE MONEY IN YOUR POCKET IT THE LARGEST, LOUDEST VOTE YOU HAVE IN THE USA. Use it wisely. My renewal isn't due yet but unless things change the SCCA might as well not even notify me.

 

[Widget Codriver]

RE: JD question

> John, I'm not exactly sure at this moment, however I
>believe if you review the notes I believe you made at the
>Rim round table 3-4 years ago KS made a comment that he
>"would welcome another sanctioning body". I remember the
>statement due to the fact it contradicts the company he
>works for and the service they are suppose to provide to the
>rally community.

Okay, so I went back to the old town hall notes (http://www.widgetracing.com/clubrally/index.htm) to take a glance. I didn't see it, but I'm hoping a fresher pair of eyes might help. Would you be willing to take a closer look?

By the way, here's a quote from the '99 notes:

The "Club" in "ClubRally" is enticing new participants, and SCCA is in negotiation for a title sponsor for the 2000 ClubRally series.

and from the 2001 notes:

we've failed as PRB, we need to get more minutes out, and posted on web. Most rules came out of Stpr monday meeting. Unfortunately, bunch of unpaid people, not enough time, to get proper minutes.

and from the 2002 notes:

We are selling more books than we anticipated. These are very expensive to produce, but since we're doing better on sales than expected, if we can reduce the cost of books over next two events, will do.

and

Fastrack bulletin will be coming about clubrally points structure now being the same as Pro.


> You've got me interested in the "three gas station rule",
>care to share?

Envision a traditional intersection with four corners.
Put a gas station on one corner. Let's say it makes $10,000/month. (A purely arbitrary value for illustration purposes.)
Now add a second gas station at the same intersection. Both gas stations will each make more than $10,000, say $12,000.
Now add a third gas station. All three gas stations will do better than either as a single or a double, maybe $15,000.
Brad didn't have an answer for a fourth station.
Each station profits more when the consumer has more options to choose from.

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[p align=right]John Dillon
John @ WidgetRacing.com
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