>>or how about those that are bitching about the cost of a
>>rally get off their asses and organize one
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>HEY BILL, et all,I'm getting pretty fed up with the constant
>complaints and _CHANGING OF THE DISCUSSION_ to 'NYA, NYA,
>WHY DON*T YOU put on a rally' from a whole lot of people.
hmmm... if it is from a whole lot of people, maybe it has merrit...
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>Since it such a fundemental thing, perhaps you have
>forgotten that there are other things that go into making a
>rally happen.
not forgotten it at all...
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>Some of us import nice affordable parts for the non-leagacy
>endowed or Internet rich sorts which is 98% of the field.
>Even in the midst of closing down shop, packing and moving
>back to Seattle from that nest of thieves and criminals
>Boston, I have been supplying 12+ cages to guys building
>cars, welded in 4 of them.
SELLING parts to people HARDLY qualifies as helping rally in my book. GIVING advice does, but SELLING is a business, and don't count, sorry. I know you GIVE advice, and that is great, but you also SELL stuff. So just because you SELL stuff, you are making the rally world better??? well shoot, then so is Hyundai, cause the sell a heck of alot of Tiburons, and those are rallied right?
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>Have you supplied anybody a cage or welded one in, lately?
nope, cause it's not MY BUSINESS to do so.. (there goes that selling thing again)
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>Built engines for rallyist Graham Cullen's SAAB V4, John
>Lane Volvo V6 turbo, Patrick Richard WRX STi, Kevin
>Hawkinson Volvo Volvo 240 Turbo, myself Cosworth 4x4,Mike
>Tirpaks Cosworth 4x4, and supplied all the cometition
>engine parts for Dave Dunn's FJ20 Nissan,Mike White SAAB
>99, and Mike Ryan SAAB V4.
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>Have you built a rally motor for anybody lately?
and you did all that for free? NO, oh well then....
SELLING parts to people HARDLY qualifies as helping rally in my book. GIVING advice does, but SELLING is a business, and don't count, sorry.
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>I have found nice starter cars for 5 or 6 guys beginning
>prep.
not hard to do in this day and age, but thanks for the effort.
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>Have you gone out and found a starter car for anybody
>lately?
actually, yes, cause it's not hard to do...
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>I have help Patrick Richard get his car running(24 hour
>straight last minute push BS) for your event; helped Eugene
>Wong with his 323; rebuilt the gearbox for Eric Eatons 323
>stepping directly from the van, after towing from Boston to
>Tacoma, right to the bench; explained and showed and then
>Loaned proper rear springs to Derek Bottles prior to his
>first event; then designed and fabricated a big brake kit
>for 4 piston calipers on the OEM 4 bolt hubs for Derek
>Bottles 323 Mazda, and did some long overdue repairs and
>strengthening to the car which nobody else could bother to
>notice.
>Just spent 10 hours helping newbie Brian Pakidar get the
>dual carb set-up on his RX7 actually running, and running
>better than ever before, so he could be at the first event,
>Shitpoke.
great, thanks for being crew person, done that myself as well... was all that for free?
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>Organised a group expedition of 6 newbies from Spokane and
>4-5 from Seattle to go and watch and get jazzed last years
>Wild Waste, and this years Shitepoke. 2 are building cars
>right now.
awesome, thanks for that.. might have gotten the rest more involved if you didn't WATCH the rally, but WORKED it...
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>Advised Ranger Rick where to find a fresh shell after his
>exciting rally debut when he could find none. He was out for
>Shitepoke.
I know you GIVE advice, and that is great....
>
>Just showed beginners Neil and James that 3 out of the 4
>struts they just bought for their 2nd gen RX7 used were
>bent, showed in the course of demonstrating what the springs
>they had been supplied were wrongwith barley 3" of movement
>before coil bind.
>This saved them what? A wasted enrty and a crash probably.
I know you GIVE advice, and that is great
>
>Just sold my old friend Paul Morgan's waaaay beechin Dodge
>Colt to newbie Jim Thomson after spending several hours
>explaining background
>of what's needed, the current class structure, long range
>planning, etc. He's an off road motorcycle guy so we could
>talk, even know mutual acquaintences from 16 yeras ago.
SELLING parts to people HARDLY qualifies as helping rally in my book. GIVING advice does, but SELLING is a business, and don't count, sorry.
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>And this is while moving back to Seattle and setting up
>house and business and making a bunch of street cars go.
SELLING parts to people HARDLY qualifies as helping rally in my book. GIVING advice does, but SELLING is a business, and don't count, sorry.
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>Oh, and this while between 40 and 85% disabled, though it's
>only a flesh wound and it's getting better.
>
>So Bill, and others who may think that some of us might
>complain too much and say to us to 'shut up and quit your
>bitching' (Hey Burmeister, this is what others have said,
>this does not violate your rude note to 'never say Bitch
>again on SS', I as yet havn't, so relax)
ok, then I'll just start complaining that your parts are too darned expensive, even though they do come from overseas, or whatever.. heck that part used to be $20.00 in 85, why is it now $60 in 2002?
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>While we all appreciate beyond words the organisinal
>efforts, we come to events for the roads and the competition
>and the cameraderie, the spectators come to see the action
>and the suspense of competition, and while it couldn't
>happen without what you do, it couldn't happen without a lot
>of what I do, too.
yes, quite franlkly it could. Thinking that many people would not be in rally if you didn't SELL them parts is just a weee bit egotistical. Oh, and yeah, I can be replaced too...
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>So why don't you just quit with this changing the subject
>and attacking the people questioning cost.
because you have no idea what is involved with an event and you are questioning costs. That is like me questioning your methods for building a motor, and saying it costs too much... I don't care if people question costs at all, it is all this ranting and raving that happens on this board, when no one wants to hear the answers (even when they are posted), and continue to complain, and not ask the right people the right questions (even when they are given contact info), and just want want want... I want it cheaper, I want it easier, racing is already expensive.... THEN GET OUT!!! I am here to have fun, and all the complaining is killing my buzz man!!!
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>>how freaking expensive it really is to play in the woods.
>>$1.00 a stage mile... PUHLEASE!!!!
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>>[edit] my curiosity... how much did an event, any event,
>>cost in 1990, that is still being ran today, and how much
>>did it cost in 2002? talking Club dollars here.
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>The typical Co3Sat,Co2 Sunday event here in the NW in 1990
>or 1992 cost for late entry (always late!) right at $200 for
>the weekend, usually run in conjunction with a National.
>Which cost aroud $350 to $400.
ok, counting ONLY for inflation, that $200.00 event should be $274.00, that does not count loss of sponsorship, that I hear so much about in the late 80's early 90's, and increased fees over the inflation level... so that example you have given is 25% higher than it should be... wonder where that 25% is going... I know.. I'll go post on special stage that things are getting out of hand and that'll get me the answers i am looking for...
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>That same event in 1984 cost $85.
OK John, sell me FIA legal Group N cage for my Focus today at the 1984 price... cause that is what you are asking of events...
sorry to rant on... the real world has encroached lately and i don't like it.

If anyone took this for a personal attack (other than John) I am sorry, it was not meant to be...