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With Mitsubishi pulling out of ProRally, Subaru has no need to mantain a factory team, they still have to sell cars, so their contingency package will be a good one, but no SRT USA.

Major Greg told us here, he's team was only here as a business, and with no manufacturers, there's no TV, therefore there's no business, so I am sure the Air Force Reserve is gone also.

Basically, we are back where we were 4 years ago, only now, the big teams even pushed Hyundai away.

I have been an SCCA member and supporter for a number of years, today I would like to have the SCCA come clean, and tell all of us, what really is going on.

Having Sue running the Rally Department is great, and I know, from years of knowing her personally, that she will do what is best for the sport, because she really cares, I just hope the SCCA stands behind her, and we can all start a new chapter in US rallying.

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>With Mitsubishi pulling out of ProRally, Subaru has no need
>to mantain a factory team, they still have to sell cars, so
>their contingency package will be a good one, but no SRT
>USA.


They could still maintain presence with contigancy, and if they REALLY cared about US rally/ and selling cars here, they would put their effort into Ramana for the PWRC.

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>Major Greg told us here, he's team was only here as a
>business, and with no manufacturers, there's no TV,
>therefore there's no business, so I am sure the Air Force
>Reserve is gone also.

I'm not sure the whole thing was a good investment as it was. If they had anywhere to gain new recrutes, it's in NASCAR.

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>Basically, we are back where we were 4 years ago, only now,
>the big teams even pushed Hyundai away.
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>I have been an SCCA member and supporter for a number of
>years, today I would like to have the SCCA come clean, and
>tell all of us, what really is going on.

Likewise, It's been obvious for a while Kurt's direction was very short sighted. It's been shiney on the outside, but no signifagant benefit has resulted in any area. A truely wasted opprotunity has been lost over the past three four years.


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>Having Sue running the Rally Department is great, and I
>know, from years of knowing her personally, that she will do
>what is best for the sport, because she really cares, I just
>hope the SCCA stands behind her, and we can all start a new
>chapter in US rallying.


Sure hope so.......


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>>Major Greg told us here, he's team was only here as a
>>business, and with no manufacturers, there's no TV,
>>therefore there's no business, so I am sure the Air Force
>>Reserve is gone also.
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>I'm not sure the whole thing was a good investment as it
>was. If they had anywhere to gain new recrutes, it's in
>NASCAR.
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>Pete
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The Army is is getting yelled at because of sponsoring nascar ......... 16 million on a race car that
a. Doesnt win
b. Wrong Demographics - Old men cant be in the army
c. Saturated market " nascar"

No Prorally TV coverage = Harder for privaters to get sponsors!
 

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>I'm not sure the whole thing was a good investment as it
>was. If they had anywhere to gain new recrutes, it's in
>NASCAR.

A friend's (now ex-)brother-in-law is the motorsports sponsorship guy at a tool company. This company got an opportunity to sponsor a so-so entrant in the Craftsman Truck series for 1 race. They had to pay $15k for their logo to appear in a space about a square foot in size.

That has led me to believe that it is pretty expensive to play in NASCAR.

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>No Prorally TV coverage = Harder for privaters to get
>sponsors!

This is pretty funny. I won my class at 2 different ProRally's and didn't get on Television.

If you didn't have a Subaru, Mitsubishi, AFR car, you pretty much had to be Scott Fuller to get on television. Hour long infomercials. I even cancelled the 6 dollars a month charge for Speedvision that Comcast added after they bought out AT&T in my local area.

Unfortunately, we'll be back to 1996 as far as exposure with triple the entry fees compared to then.

I hope JB gets some kind of deal and comes to play. Its just not Pro Rally if he's not somewhere telling a great story.
 

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>>I'm not sure the whole thing was a good investment as it
>>was. If they had anywhere to gain new recrutes, it's in
>>NASCAR.
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>A friend's (now ex-)brother-in-law is the motorsports
>sponsorship guy at a tool company. This company got an
>opportunity to sponsor a so-so entrant in the Craftsman
>Truck series for 1 race. They had to pay $15k for their
>logo to appear in a space about a square foot in size.
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>That has led me to believe that it is pretty expensive to
>play in NASCAR.
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>alan

At that level yes it is HUGE bucks, and that is the third tier down the totem pole. Nascar is run like a bussiness, everyone gets payed, and the value for sponsors is there(if it wasn't, why would they do it). This is due to the management and regulated growth nascar INC. has developed over 40+ years.


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>>>Major Greg told us here, he's team was only here as a
>>>business, and with no manufacturers, there's no TV,
>>>therefore there's no business, so I am sure the Air Force
>>>Reserve is gone also.
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>>I'm not sure the whole thing was a good investment as it
>>was. If they had anywhere to gain new recrutes, it's in
>>NASCAR.
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>>Pete
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>The Army is is getting yelled at because of sponsoring
>nascar ......... 16 million on a race car that
>a. Doesnt win
>b. Wrong Demographics - Old men cant be in the army
>c. Saturated market " nascar"
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>No Prorally TV coverage = Harder for privaters to get
>sponsors!


How can you sell something to sponsors, if you don't have something to give in return for their investment. If you think a 2-10 second shot on speedtv, where most of the time any signage on car is not seen, the announcer never includes sponsor names anyway, is going to please a paying sponsor, guess again. The show is a train wreck, got to watch cause it's rally, but it's so lame. Prorally has a very small following on TV, that's why nobody can sell ad space, and S.O.A/AFR has to pay it all themselves. And the SCCA was not even smart enough to include in their TV contract that our ProRally events would get time(just a mention) in the SpeedTVNews broadcast with results atleast. Only a mention of prorally when mitsu pulled out, and they were like a week and a half late.



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>A friend's (now ex-)brother-in-law is the motorsports
>sponsorship guy at a tool company. This company got an
>opportunity to sponsor a so-so entrant in the Craftsman
>Truck series for 1 race. They had to pay $15k for their
>logo to appear in a space about a square foot in size.
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>That has led me to believe that it is pretty expensive to
>play in NASCAR.

Yeah, but one race on a so-so NCTS Truck is equal to about the same exposure for the sponsor as...oh...10 years as the SERIES sponsor for "Pro"Rally.
 

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>At that level yes it is HUGE bucks, and that is the third
>tier down the totem pole. Nascar is run like a bussiness,
>everyone gets payed, and the value for sponsors is there(if
>it wasn't, why would they do it). This is due to the
>management and regulated growth nascar INC. has developed
>over 40+ years.
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>pete

If nascars demographics do not have alot of young people its a waste of money.
The Army needs 18-28 year olds-

The Airforce is smart to invest in rally!
a. Rallys demographics are generally younger people
b. Prorally is not clutered with sponsors
c. Its cheap! "compared to most motorsports"

All they need to do is try to make the events more spectator friendly to get more people to the events.
 

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Why couldn't we just mandate that the ProRally coverage include the top X cars from each class (maybe 5 for open and 3 for all the others). We could also require them to announce the Team's name and top sponsor (or 2) for each car. This would give the guys not in open a bit of coverage and their sponsors a bit of exposure.

Doesn't seem like it take much effort for them to do this.

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>>A friend's (now ex-)brother-in-law is the motorsports
>>sponsorship guy at a tool company. This company got an
>>opportunity to sponsor a so-so entrant in the Craftsman
>>Truck series for 1 race. They had to pay $15k for their
>>logo to appear in a space about a square foot in size.
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>>That has led me to believe that it is pretty expensive to
>>play in NASCAR.
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>Yeah, but one race on a so-so NCTS Truck is equal to about
>the same exposure for the sponsor as...oh...10 years as the
>SERIES sponsor for "Pro"Rally.

I watched that race and looked for the ad on the truck. I briefly saw it a couple of times and I was specifically looking for it. Maybe some still photos of the truck with the ad exist somewhere in the general media, but I never saw it. Some exposure.

And since you mentioned series sponsor, I still find references to Michelin's series sponsorship of SCCA rally when I do web searches on rally-relate topics.

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The way I see it, to get big team in scca has to do this:

MORE RALLYS!
MORE CARS!
MORE INTEREST!
that is why i think the G222 is good.
get the grassroots started HUGE. then
when they get old they will spend $$$
on open stuff.

Who cares about Factory teams. we need
it like dirt ovals, a local rally every
month! cheep cars, lors of entrants.

then the big mfc. see all the people out
the competing and watching then there is biz
for them, tv, mags, local sponsors.

i come from mountain bike racing. it is huge
compaired to this in numbers.
seems we are lacking numbers

my thoughts
 

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RE: The way I see it, to get big team in scca has to do this:

>MORE RALLYS!
>MORE CARS!
>MORE INTEREST!
>that is why i think the G222 is good.
>get the grassroots started HUGE. then
>when they get old they will spend $$$
>on open stuff.
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>Who cares about Factory teams. we need
>it like dirt ovals, a local rally every
>month! cheep cars, lors of entrants.

Some people have been pushing that idea for 20 years. :)
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>then the big mfc. see all the people out
>the competing and watching then there is biz
>for them, tv, mags, local sponsors.
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>i come from mountain bike racing. it is huge
>compaired to this in numbers.
>seems we are lacking numbers

I come from moto-cross and later Enduros, same thing there.
Strength in numbers.
They way I ahve phrased it is this:
180 cars in downtown Shelton or Olympia or Rumford or Houghton would still be a show and still be news,
EVEN If there was 4 less Sububitchis or Mitsuburus.

Even if the bulk of the cars were LOCAL.

It would still be a SELLABLE show locally.

Start Locally, when it's a big enough show, people will travel.
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>my thoughts





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RE: The way I see it, to get big team in scca has to do this:

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>Some people have been pushing that idea for 20 years. :)


thats why i like g222. it makes it achivable for the low budget guys
to be at the top of a class.

20 years huh? how long in the enduro stuff.

my first ond only moto was a 540 KTM. i never got out of 3rd. :7

i would love to of had a 125, but i put in 17 years in mountain bikes. well worth it. i saw them change as much as you have seen rally. from hand braised ridged gary fishers and tom ritcheys to the new www.G-boxx.org gear box full suspention dh bike of wich i did pioneer work on.

i hope to see rally get huge like, cart or midget racing.
 
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