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Authentic, undoctored quotes lifted from: http://www.petitiononline.com/fom001/petition.html

#10 -- "Race on race tracks forest are for backpacks"

#9 -- "National Forest Raceway? Its NO place to bang gears folks!"

#8 -- "While you are at it, why don't y ou have a machine gun fair too? Is nothing sacred or peaceful in this violent world? Can't each of us do something to bring peace to others instead of violence, noise and cacophony?"

#7 -- "Race your behind to the door, we don't need people who make decisions like this in office. "

#6 -- "National forest are meant for preservation, not exploitation, don't take the payoff, do your job. Teddy Roosevelt would fire you for even considering such a stupid thing."

#5 -- "leave the forest to the animals don't take it away from them."

#4 -- "the road is hard enough to maintain already. to invite damage from racing cars is absurd. actually, this race sounds absurd."

#3 -- "this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Please stop this insanity!"

#2 -- "this is nothing more than outrageous don't you people get the idea yet we are all in this together whether you realize it or not we all are trying to breath clean AIR try to think long and hard about your younger family members if this don,t stop soon then what just try for a minute 10 more years ahead please stop this nonense we don't enjoy doing stuff like this all of the time this is working all of our time away and for what ? CLEANER AIR"


And the #1 knee-jerk reason to disallow Rally West Virgina:
#1 -- "WV's Beauty is more important than Uneducated ******** showing off their so-called 'manhood!'"
 

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Those are just too silly...

> undeducated ********

Hey! I may be from the south but I did go to kawledge.:)

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dang, another rallyist that went to kawledge !
(and I thought i wer thu only wun)


... rallyists are justa buncha uneducated ******** ....


exit tongue in cheak mode

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Maybe we should sue them for public insult and discrimination.

ACP wanna take this probono ?

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M.Samli
The Turkish Uneducated ******* who holds more degrees than a thermometer
 
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>Maybe we should sue them for public insult and
>discrimination.


Even if we won, the best we'd get out of the deal would be an old double wide trailer with a detached outhouse.
 

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Gentlemen,

This is not the problem we had in West Virginia and is not the thinking of the local community. Please do not make anything more out of this then to take a humorous look at how some people overreact to today?s issues.

John
 

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It might be worth working on how to address these in a more positive and inclusive way.

For starters, public lands are for use of the public and though the use of planing the land can be put to diffrent uses. Some of that land can be used for recration activites such as backpacking, bird watching, rallying, mountain biking etc. Each of these uses has a level of impact, some more than others, but all are fairly low impact (vs say logging, prevenitive burns, mining, etc). Rather than banning the activites of one user group because another user group would rather not share the use of public land with others it makes more since to divide up the usage based on impacts.

I think we can all agree a rally will have more impact than backpacking in one weekend but lets look at the land over a whole year. Fourty Rally cars on 2 days driving 200 miles total vs 363 days of how many cars for backpackers? Witch activity has a larger total impact?

Dear forest manager/governement person, we request that your department looks at possible public uses of the land and reconize we all pay taxes for the land, we all share in the goal of managing this land for now and the future and we all want to use this land for our own types of recration. When looking at how to divide the use of the public land we request you set a level of acceptiable total impact for the year and then alocate each use a equal share of this impact pie. As some users will have more impact/day they get less days vs the others.

Every one is free to use these ideas I wrote as they see fit.

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Also from the petition. Probably the weirdest reason I've heard of for not wanting a rally to be run. Hmmmm....???

"This race will only accelerate erosion! Not a good idea."

Jerry
 

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>#1 -- "WV's Beauty is more important than Uneducated
>******** showing off their so-called 'manhood!'"

Six weeks ago I cudent even spel unejicatid and now I are one!

Or as Kim DeMotte learnt lng ago, if you want to rally in them backwoods, you must first make friends with the moonshiners.
 

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Well looks like we did not win. I have been numorous places in this world and have seen what other countrys do to the environment, trust me driving fast down a dirt road is doing nothing. Sorry to hear the the east coast boys and girls are gonna miss one due to a few people who don't really have a clue what we do.
 

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Derek and John,

I disagree with you. We can't be pussyfooting around and we can not take the threat lightly. These idiots are not joking or trying to be funny. I don't see any humour in the petition and I'd be damned if I'd ever make light of an attack on my rights thinking that attacker was just being "funny".

I we don't act and take necessary precautions this petition will not be the only one that will be thrown at our faces. I believe SCCA has to take immediate action and respond in an appropriate manner. It is of course if they care about rallying and don't want to confine their activities in race tracks like the petitioners want us cornered anyways.

This is a serious threat to rallying in North America.

M.Samli
 

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I agree with Mustafa. This is no laughing matter. In fact it made me more angry and did not make me smile as you hoped by posting it. You have to fight fire with fire. This people cannot be reasoned with. Pussyfoot around and will be trampled on. You let these whackos win in WV and they'll spread like the diseased fungus they are and spread across the country! Fight them or you'll lose everything. Forget the lower levels, write directly to your Senators and Congress critters. Get them behind you. YOUR taxes pay for these forests upkeep. They are NOT the sole property of the environmentalists
 

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Well that petition kinda makes me sick... Im sure that most of those people dont have a clue what a rally is.... I wounder how many pitch trash out their windows, dump oil and anti frezee where ever they see fit, burn plastic and what not and drive the largest SUV possible because they feel safer in it...... Granted many of us have gas guzzuling tow vehicles, but I bet a large number drive shit boxes to and fro.... maybe even a motorcycle to save a bit on fuel.....

Backpacking, Mt biking and just being in the woods are some of my favorite activitys and I would never do anything to endanger that....


Larry "tree huggin ralliest"
 

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Mustafa,

I agree entirely. But it must be very carefully done. This is politics and direct public rebuttal to lies and ignorance is often counterproductive. When the "Lies" of enviro-socialists are given equal weight with the "Truth" of rallying, we can not afford "half-truths" as a perceived compromise. The facts are that any rally risks can be mitigated.

Rallying must be seen as a legitimately conforming use in it's own right.

Rich Smith

Vive le "Pro-le-Ralliat"
 

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This may not be the case with a NASA event but last I knew organizers go through with the property managers before and after the rally. Don't road conditions have to be restored to a condeition atleast equal to the condition of the road before the rally? If my understanding is correct this would possibly be a method in which to enhance the quality of the roads in the park in the event that the rally wishes to grade the roads before hand.



Nothin beats all the new tarmac at PPIHC because the city decided it would not be cost productive to fight the law suit calling for the pavement to reduce erosion.





Public land is public land, everybody should have equal access, we certainly need to be more proactive and politically aggressive to ensure the vitality and longevity, if not just the survival of out sport.
 

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And to quote Kim again, the first thing you do to maintain a rally is take care of the community! Pick a date when the hotels need to sell rooms. Then you have fewer mountain bikers and the hoteliers are on your side.
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Locally we have a hill climb series. One city provides support and acces in a proportional fashion to our particiaption in other related activities and events. They see the value of bringing in 60-80 race teams, even if some of those teams elect to camp in the pit area. We bring fans, workers, and drivers. Most of the two trucks, the water truck are all local hires, road restoration is contracted out through a local business unless an event sponsor donates that service.

This same city was going to hold a parade in conjunction with the race, part of the stipulation was that the race organizers get as many race cars entered as possible. We had rally teams looking to possibly bring EXTRA cars (teams where the driver and co-driver switch roles and cars to correspond with the driver), due to some other events the race was cancelled but we have the second date.
 

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Gentlemen let me introduce you to the USA where the country is ruled by the loud few and not the majority we were all brought up to believe in. We must not take this lightly we need to fight these people tooth and nail, if they gain a foothold then you are going to have a very hard time rallying in North America. I would like to know the statistics on those against the proposal of usage. I imagine that not one of them actually use the roads rather they are people that these enviromental groups rally at a moments notice to fight whatever cause is popular that day. I for one know that eviromental conservation is not the altruistic help thy neighbor gesture it is portrayed as. IT is big business and thus we must treat it like any other business that is trying to infringe on our business/hobby. I have seen this happen to so many other things over the last few years it makes me sick. I am not the only one my father chose Communism over this country last year and I do not blame him! On a side note I thought that I had seen it all until I found out that people from WV were calling us ********.
 

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When are we going to stop calling these people enviromentalists and refer to them by their proper name "evironmental terrorists" because that is what these people are.
 
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