The State of Rally
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Who's book about who??? Just kidding. Never heard of it but now I'm going to find it and read it asap. Didn't know such a thing existed. Thanks. I've read McRae and Burns' books already. Can't wait to find this one.
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>Who's book about who??? Just kidding. Never heard of it but
>now I'm going to find it and read it asap. Didn't know such a
>thing existed. Thanks. I've read McRae and Burns' books
>already. Can't wait to find this one.
It's called In Like a Lamb, Out Like a Lion, which may help you find it. At one point Diane Houseal had copies for sale.
It is a good read, and a good description of the evolution of stage rally in the US. There are some awfully familiar situations, too...
Adrian
>now I'm going to find it and read it asap. Didn't know such a
>thing existed. Thanks. I've read McRae and Burns' books
>already. Can't wait to find this one.
It's called In Like a Lamb, Out Like a Lion, which may help you find it. At one point Diane Houseal had copies for sale.
It is a good read, and a good description of the evolution of stage rally in the US. There are some awfully familiar situations, too...
Adrian
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Have heard of the book often, but never got it. WOuld it be worthwhile to post a synopsis of this 'state of rally' here for discussion/argument/endless debate??
Thanks,
Mark B.
Thanks,
Mark B.
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I've searched my public library and can't find it. I did find it listed online at the Library of Congress.
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pweb...ME_&PID=18275&CNT=25&HC=1&BROWSE=1&HC=1&SID=4
Someone on Amazon is selling one for $132.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_2/002-4478143-5132000?v=glance&s=books
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pweb...ME_&PID=18275&CNT=25&HC=1&BROWSE=1&HC=1&SID=4
Someone on Amazon is selling one for $132.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_2/002-4478143-5132000?v=glance&s=books
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>It's called In Like a Lamb, Out Like a Lion, which may help
>you find it. At one point Diane Houseal had copies for sale.
J.B. has copies himself (for sale). I know because even though I read my father's copy when it came out (about 10 years ago), I just got my own copy earlier this year.
Matt Kennedy
www.RockyRoadRacing.com
>you find it. At one point Diane Houseal had copies for sale.
J.B. has copies himself (for sale). I know because even though I read my father's copy when it came out (about 10 years ago), I just got my own copy earlier this year.
Matt Kennedy
www.RockyRoadRacing.com
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You used the wrong search tool at the Library of Congress. Here is the listing
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pweb...UM&PID=28238&SEQ=20050818105049&CNT=25&HIST=1
Call John directly he has some books at the shop. Ask him nicely and he might autograph it for your as well. Might even give you a deal on the book if you buy a bunch of tires from him
-Tim
Wazoo Racing
http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pweb...UM&PID=28238&SEQ=20050818105049&CNT=25&HIST=1
Call John directly he has some books at the shop. Ask him nicely and he might autograph it for your as well. Might even give you a deal on the book if you buy a bunch of tires from him
-Tim
Wazoo Racing
>Who's book about who??? Just kidding. Never heard of it but
>now I'm going to find it and read it asap. Didn't know such a
>thing existed. Thanks. I've read McRae and Burns' books
>already. Can't wait to find this one.
Like someone else mentioned, just call John at Libra or e-mail and order it from him. That is how I got mine and it was only a couple of days. Good read!
Dave C
>now I'm going to find it and read it asap. Didn't know such a
>thing existed. Thanks. I've read McRae and Burns' books
>already. Can't wait to find this one.
Like someone else mentioned, just call John at Libra or e-mail and order it from him. That is how I got mine and it was only a couple of days. Good read!
Dave C
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In Like A Lamb, Out Like A Lion
I bought two copies from TD Grimshaw, his own bad self, about five years ago. I gave one to my codriver at the time (EMily Louise Burton-Weinman - who must be getting close to completing her studies for a law degree) and kept the one that has "To Mad Mike Halley, a good friend, a good rallyist, and aptly named. Tom Grimshaw March 2000" inside the cover.
I guess that quote represents Tom's answer to the "rallyist -vs- rallier" question posed on the forum some weeks ago.
Since it's been half a decade I guess I should read the book again ...
Thanks for the reminder Richard - now what's up with this whole thread???
Halley ...
BBBBB (Bring Back Big Bend Bash)
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I bought two copies from TD Grimshaw, his own bad self, about five years ago. I gave one to my codriver at the time (EMily Louise Burton-Weinman - who must be getting close to completing her studies for a law degree) and kept the one that has "To Mad Mike Halley, a good friend, a good rallyist, and aptly named. Tom Grimshaw March 2000" inside the cover.
I guess that quote represents Tom's answer to the "rallyist -vs- rallier" question posed on the forum some weeks ago.
Since it's been half a decade I guess I should read the book again ...
Thanks for the reminder Richard - now what's up with this whole thread???
Halley ...
BBBBB (Bring Back Big Bend Bash)
http://www.realautosport.com
RE: In Like A Lamb, Out Like A Lion
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>Thanks for the reminder Richard - now what's up with this
>whole thread???
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>Halley ...
>BBBBB (Bring Back Big Bend Bash)
>http://www.realautosport.com
The exact same problems John and Tom pointed out with rally and publicity and making the big time show back 10 years ago are still with us. These are: TV, spectators, press coverage, sponsors, etc. We still have the same problems. Maybe we can work through them today if we look back at was tried before and try something different.
By the way concerning the BBBBB, would you accept an event about 350 miles north and 150 miles west? This would still be in territory claimed by Texas in 1836 and still in a desert. But somewhat closer to a bar and a more compact course.
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>Thanks for the reminder Richard - now what's up with this
>whole thread???
>
>Halley ...
>BBBBB (Bring Back Big Bend Bash)
>http://www.realautosport.com
The exact same problems John and Tom pointed out with rally and publicity and making the big time show back 10 years ago are still with us. These are: TV, spectators, press coverage, sponsors, etc. We still have the same problems. Maybe we can work through them today if we look back at was tried before and try something different.
By the way concerning the BBBBB, would you accept an event about 350 miles north and 150 miles west? This would still be in territory claimed by Texas in 1836 and still in a desert. But somewhat closer to a bar and a more compact course.
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For whatever it's worth, Gene Henderson -- who pretty much was there at the beginning -- wrote the introductory chapter for my book, Performance Rallying, published back in 1976.
Henderson covered a lot of the early days... Bob Hourihan wrote the chapter on the history of U.S. rallying through that point.
When Gene died, I rescanned his chapter and made it into a PDF. You may read it here:
http://www.rallyalmanac.com/henderson.pdf
(It's a 500K PDF, so it will be slow on dial-up.)
If there's much interest, I'll do the same with Hourihan's chapter.
Ironically, Hourihan anticipated most of the issues that came to pass.
And, as a historic trivia question, Hourihan and what well-known Special Stage codriver competed together in the Rally of Finland?
Henderson covered a lot of the early days... Bob Hourihan wrote the chapter on the history of U.S. rallying through that point.
When Gene died, I rescanned his chapter and made it into a PDF. You may read it here:
http://www.rallyalmanac.com/henderson.pdf
(It's a 500K PDF, so it will be slow on dial-up.)
If there's much interest, I'll do the same with Hourihan's chapter.
Ironically, Hourihan anticipated most of the issues that came to pass.
And, as a historic trivia question, Hourihan and what well-known Special Stage codriver competed together in the Rally of Finland?
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Enjoyable read.
The observation on the last page about the cost of rallying is very interesting, especially in light of the fact that the piece was written in 1975.
The observation on the last page about the cost of rallying is very interesting, especially in light of the fact that the piece was written in 1975.
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>If there's much interest, I'll do the same with Hourihan's
>chapter.
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Well, I'm interested in reading it.
>And, as a historic trivia question, Hourihan and what
>well-known Special Stage codriver competed together in the
>Rally of Finland?
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Oooh, I know, I know, pick me, teach! Somewhere I have a picture of them in mid-yump forwarded to me by said co-driver and newbie (yeah, right!) steward. If I find it I'll repost it.
Kent Gardam
>If there's much interest, I'll do the same with Hourihan's
>chapter.
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Well, I'm interested in reading it.
>And, as a historic trivia question, Hourihan and what
>well-known Special Stage codriver competed together in the
>Rally of Finland?
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Oooh, I know, I know, pick me, teach! Somewhere I have a picture of them in mid-yump forwarded to me by said co-driver and newbie (yeah, right!) steward. If I find it I'll repost it.
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i got mine from believe it or not walmart. .com that is. Was only like 7 bucks. Probably don't have it anymore that was 2 years ago.
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