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Nobody responded to this with the previous title, so let's try again. Disregarding my comments about Bill Gates except to say that if all your rally costs were covered except travel, who could afford to run the whole series. Now take the description of the series and let me know what you think of it. Oh yeah, Bill Gates isn't paying for you to rally, so costs for a whole series across the nation will be about $150,000 per year while costs to run in your region will be about $15,000 including the championship. More if you break the car. And this is what I said:

Let's assume Bill Gates loses his sanity and funds ProRally, a nationwide series, and ClubRally, a regional series. The entry fees are zero but you still have to pay travel costs. Lets assume you are Mad Mike and live in the truck while traveling. Can you afford to run ProRally? Assume 10 events a year. I know there were fewer this year. The mileage to attend all the events is around 30,000. At a mere 36 cents a mile for fuel and food, there goes $10,800. And assuming that you only have to take off 4 days of work to attend each event including those on the coast, there goes 5 weeks of vacation. Or time off without pay which is how I do it. Can you afford this amount of time and travel?

Compare this to a good regional series. Assume 6 to 8 events withing 300 to 500 miles of your house. Throw in a national championship like the Runoffs. The travel distance becomes 6400 miles or just over $2300. The time becomes maybe 2 weeks of vaction. Add the extra for the national championship and you have a viable series that more people can afford.

Then just to make it better, add a regional series of RallyCross and Rally Sprints.

The breakdown of events with the exception of the national championship for Club competitors is like we used to have. With the added national championship, you are mirroring the race structure. The names in racing are TransAm or World Challange with Club racing consisting of national and regional race.
 

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RE: Pro vs. Club Costs

And paying your vacation time to go rallying too. If we are going to dream, might as well dream big.
 

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RE: Pro vs. Club Costs

Richard,
As rally continues to grow in stature worldwide, a few things begin to happen. TV and Magazine coverage will start to kick in and bring more entrants that have been competeing in other series (Bottoms, Peeper, Prichard & I are just a few). But involvement is limited by the hours in a day. There are also racers who will spend whatever they can get their hands on to improve their chances of winning. What that means is more people entering, less of a chance of qualifying and lower skilled teams getting shut out of events, much like the case has been at Maine and STPR the last few years.
You'll also see more participants going overseas (like here in the US) to cherry-pick national series to win a championship to get a spot on the crowded WRC entry list.
If more roads and organizers aren't found, the easiest way to limit the entry will be by cost. Just try to imagine, no more organizers paying out of their pocket to run an event.
I'm just glad I started in time to get a few years in before the sport got too expensive to try out.
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RE: Pro vs. Club Costs

Randy, Come back to reality for a while. As long as there are Club rallies and I am able to see, walk and drive, I and others will organise them, thereby keeping costs down, you will have somewhere to play while we have the roads.
 

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Rally Model

Just to add, the question is NOT whether this can be done or can you afford it or can the organizers do it or will SCCA let you do it or even what the name of each series is. The question is whether or not this is a good model to work towards. To repeat:
A nationwide professional series. $150,000, 60 days away from home.

A regional series with a national championship. $15,000. 21 days away from home (mostly on weekends)

A divisional series with a local championship. $1,500. Maybe have to leave early on a Friday.
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RE: Rally Model

Yes, it is a valid model, and not too far removed from what we have now. I might add that, if SCCA continues to ignore the latter two, it may be left to an alternate sanctioning body to support them.
 

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RE: Rally Model

An alternative sanctioning body is already in place. It's NASA. Gorman was very successful and Treeline has also aligned itself with them. Many more are planning to do the same, so I think the point is moot.
 

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I think the regional/divisional model of smaller events, closer to home with a central championship for those inclined that way is a viable model. It is kinda close to what we have, it only needs a little more in the way of support for organizers. This model IS in fact what the club racers have, and its a very successful model I might add. Cheaper classes would be nice as well. Either spec classes, or something like IT where you can do suspension mods, but not engine. If it was possible to put something like this in place, we could go ahead and let the National events be "Pro" like some people want. A model like this also helps out small shops like me who dont have the ability to put together Evo's and whatnot.


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This model IS in fact what the club
>racers have,
I didn't invent it. I stole it. It sort of works for racers except for the wrangling at the pro level. And by the way, there was almost two MILLION in contingency available at the Runoffs. The Runoffs are Club Racing's version of the ClubRally National Championship.
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As I've said before, rallyists need to stop bashing road racers and learn from them! Yes there was similar turmoil between pro and club camps way back when, but they did figure it out. And Club Racing has sponsors, contingencies and all kinds of cool stuff. This is what I've been saying about the resources/knowledge available with the SCCA. Now we need to get national to step in and make the regions give us the same support. It's not impossible.


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