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Andy Schupack's Press Notes:

2005 Susquehannock Trail ProRally
June 3, 2005
Wellsboro, Penn.
Press Notes - Friday night


9. As with any Pro Rally in the United States, STPR takes place at the behest of sponsors and the local community. In Wellsboro, the Chamber of Commerce and Citizen & Northern Bank are the primary sponsors of the event. On race day on the central town Green, several of the service organizations will have concession stands, including the Wellsboro Rotary's Chicken Barbeque, the Boy Scouts - rally t-shirts and hats, St. Paul Episcopal Church - hot dogs, hamburgers and soda, and Rally for Life: Cops for a Cure - coffee. In addition, Chamber director Mary Worthington has reported brisk sales for the event program.

10. We ran into John Buffum from Libra Racing as he was preparing the Paul Choiniere/Jeff Becker 2003 Hyundai Tiburon for tomorrow's event. This is the car which Choiniere ran during the 2002 rally season, and which has been run by several of Buffum's customers since. Choiniere, who has not been in the car for a while, said he felt a little rusty on the practice stage this afternoon, and was not used to the new rules that govern the Open class. Choiniere told Buffum he thought the car wasn't running right, but it was fine - it just runs different.

11. The final start list has been published as of the close of registration, and 56 cars are scheduled to take the countdown tomorrow morning at the Green. 25 of those starters are Subarus, nine Mitsubishis, and assorted Fords, VWs, Toyotas, Hondas, Nissans, Mazdas, Suzukis, Eagles, Dodges and Saabs. Some of the reasons given for the low number of entries (recent start lists have ranged from 60 - 80 cars) include the confusion over the sanctioning body situation which led to the uncertainty of the event schedule, the running of a competing USRC/USAC rally in New York State, and a smaller number of national competitors running for the championship.

12. For those of you who follow the American Le Mans Series road racing circuit, two people who have Pro Rally in their heritage are at the 24 Hours of Le Mans practice day this weekend to help their team prepare for the June 18-19 event in France. Dennis Chizma, long time Southern California rallyist, is one of the crew chiefs for the defending LMGT champion Petersen Motorsports/White Lightning Porsche 911 GT3 RSR while Paul Truess, who built several rally cars for his wife Gail and Cindy Krolikowski (and others), is one of the top techs for the Flying Lizard Motorsports Porsche 911 GT3 RSR. The 24 Hours of Le Mans will be televised live on Speed Channel starting June 18 at 10:00 AM EDT.

13. Cable News Network (CNN) has a producer in Wellsboro this weekend, and he is pursuing a story on women co-drivers as well a feature on Stig Blomqvist. We will keep in touch with him, and post a news item on www.stpr.org when we find out the segment is running. We would like to thank TV2GO in advance for offering CNN action footage to go with their report.


2005 Susquehannock Trail ProRally,
June 3, 2005,
Wellsboro, Penn.,
Press Notes - Early Saturday morning


14. Below is a list of the top 12 starters for the STPR rally:
Pos, Car #,Driver, Hometown/Co-Driver, Hometown, Class, Year Make Model
1, 27, Chris Gilligan, Davidson,NC/Joe Peterson, Rubicon,WI, Open, 1997 Mitsubishi Evo IV
2, 18, Matthew Iorio, Westmoreland, NH/Ole Holter, Long Beach, CA, Open,1997 Subaru Impreza
3, 65, Stig Blomqvist, Davantry, England/Ana Goni, Davantry, England,Group N,2003 Subaru Impreza
4, 43, Ken Block, Encinitas, CA/Alessandro Gelsomino, Santa Clarita, CA, Group N, 2004 Subaru WRX
5, 11, Paul Choiniere, Shelburne, VT/Jeff Becker, New York, NY, Open,2003 Hyundai Tiburon
6, 74, Ramana Lagemann, Somerville, MA/Mark Williams, Gaithersburg, MD, Open, 1997 Ford Escort Cosworth
7, 1, Patrick Richard, Vancouver, BC/Nathalie Richard, Quebec City, QUE, Group N, 2005 Subaru Impreza WRX
8, 199, Travis Pastrana, Colchester, VT/Christian Edstrom, New York, NY Group N, 2004 Subaru WRX
9, 91, Jonathan Bottoms, Buffalo, NY/Carolyn Bosley, Hinesburg, VT, Group N, 2002 Subaru WRX
10, 116, Tom Lawless, Yonkers, NY/Jason Gillespie, Yonkers, NY, Open,2003 Mitsubishi Evo 8
11, 45, Shane Mitchell, Yonkers, NY/Glenn Patterson, Yonkers, NY, Open, 2000 Subaru Impreza
12, 676, Mark McElduff, Chicago, IL/Scott Putnam, Chicago, IL Group N, 2002 Subaru WRX


15. The reason we listed the top 12 starters is they were all thrown together in a hat and the starting positions were drawn randomly. The reason these 12 were grouped together is that they all had a "speed factory" rating of 95 and above. This is sort of like the BCS in college football or the RPI rating in NCAA basketball - it has little relationship to the actual driver speed or ability. Should two Seed 2 drivers start in front of Stig Blomqvist? Should defending national champion Pat Richard - even with his bad wrist - start seventh? How about last year's STPR winner at the 11th position? Several different methods have been tried over the years to fairly determine starting positions in Pro Rally - most of them terrible. Fortunately, the wet conditions mean that first on the road is not a bid advantage because there will be no dust, and the roads are firm enough that they won't get chewed up, but it could have been a factor. The best start order seed method we have seen is the educated, but dictatorial decision of the national steward to pick the positions himself, and let a driver make a case if he wants to be moved. If you have two or three drivers running for the championship who are close in skill, rotate them from event to event.

16. The charity road rally for the American Cancer Society raised more than $1,000 for the organization, with 36 entries participating. Greg Lester, who has won the event multiple times, completed the rally through Wellsboro and vacinity with navigator Ken Swarn losing only eight penalty points.
 

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Wow Andy!

An official press officer giving his own opinion contrary to the organizers. How refreshing!

I'm afraid in the Bush camp, you'd be found shot, stabbed, run over, car-bombed and fried, then reported as dying of natural causes if you did that in DC.

Keep it up, nice reports.

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Peter-

Is there something you would like to share with the class?

press on,
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Peter just wants to say that he, like most people who pay attention to the start orders (especially some pretty recent ones), thinks that the currently used system ... comes up with some silly results.

... AND, just because Andy writes it doesn't mean that it's contrary to the organizers' opinions (or did I miss something when reading?) ... they aren't the ones that can change the start order ... the Stewards are.

In any case, I have full faith in RA that they will implement a more appropriate system soon. 12 drivers in the pull-from-a-hat? hee hee hee

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>... they aren't the ones that can change the
>start order ... the Stewards are.
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>In any case, I have full faith in RA that they will implement
>a more appropriate system soon. 12 drivers in the
>pull-from-a-hat? hee hee hee

Nathalie:

It could be worse. It is possible that up to 20 drivers could be in the draw for an event this year.

There are currently 36 drivers listed with RA speed factors of 0.95 or greater and about 30 of these are still active.

Any suggestions? What do you think is the best way to establish the start order?

I have more than a passing interest in this topic for Maine.

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>In any case, I have full faith in RA that they will implement
>a more appropriate system soon. 12 drivers in the
>pull-from-a-hat? hee hee hee
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>Nathalie :*

Hmm, according the RA results:

Stage 1 27 drivers were less than a minute off the leader

Stage 2 11 drivers...

Stage 3 11 drivers...

And finally Stage 4 it got down to 7.

I dunno when the reseed was, but I don't see much passing happening on at least the first 3 stages. What would a "more appropriate" system" be?

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> What would a "more
>appropriate" system" be?

One where, say, the four drivers who actually had a chance of winning the rally were starting in 1st through 4th?

I think there will be a fix soon enough, though.

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>I think there will be a fix soon enough, though.


Oh boy.... here we go again.

What next..... 5 minute dust windows for the rich guys?

If they are so good let them show off in SCCA CircusRally instead.

Does Michael Schumacher whine when they won't automatically put him on the pole?

Sheesh......
 

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The point is that the drivers that actually have the car and talent to win the rally, all be given equal opportunity to do so ... and you're right, this has already been hashed out before (even without you bringing up dust windows again) ... so therein lies my last comment on start orders. :*

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I under stood it Dennis and I'm an engineer too. :) Stock brokers aren't allowed to say that just because a stock made lots of money in the past 25 years, it is going to continue to make money. However, in racing, because Stig or Patrick or Paul or you did good in the last several events, it is probable that you will run good at the next event. Even if you show up in an under powered 2 wheel drive car.
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>Wow,perhaps the vaugest answer from a codriver ever! Have you
>been hanging around Jimmy Brandt lately?

Ok, how about this.

Some people are fast, and have a legitimate shot of winning events. Some people aren't. When people who aren't fast are started among people who are, the people who are suffer.

And despite your comment that you can't know who'll be fast, I say you can. It's not hard. I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but there were probably 5 people who deserved to be in the seeded draw: Stig, Paul, Pat, Shane, and maybe Ramana. That's it. Everybody else should have started 6th or lower, based on the system in place and steward's appropriate adjustments.

How's that for clear?

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>And despite your comment that you can't know who'll be fast, I
>say you can.

Well, I never really made such a comment. (I simply asked how "fast" would be determined.)

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>How's that for clear?
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Very clear, thank you. Although now Brandt will be disappointed. :)

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