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"I think that rally has shown more growth over the last two years than probably any other form of motorsport. This is a somewhat extreme motorsport, and SCCA has got strong roots in rally-that's basically where it started.
Yeah, there are some people who are trying to get into the rally market, but we're going to be very aggressive in our push. I view this as that's our property, the SCCA's, and if were not doing a good enough job to keep the organizers with us, the rallyists with us, then we need to change our model to keep them.
We don't have, I think, the luxury to welcome other competitors in here-competitors, meaning other sanctioning bodies-to get into the rally business. SCCA is notorious at helping people come in and get a foothold, and patting them on the back and showing them how to do it, and then we're wondering all of a sudden where our are members going, where our are sponsors going.
You're going to see a very aggressive SCCA in the future. I look at rally as ours; it's ours to lose and we're going to step up our efforts at improving services to the organizers, services to our competitors, so that they don't want to go to another organization to rally."

Okay. Now's the time to put you money where your mouth is. Personally, I give them until next Tuesday, 2 weeks, to see some significant news. Without club, eventually you'll have no pro.
 

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Oh come on now guys....
Give SCCA some credit........
They should get an award for being consistent about being full of BS.
OK then. SCCA is giving the whole world the opportunity to step up and make a move on "SCCA's property."
How about our friends at SCCA show us that We the club members whose interest in SCCA is Rally matter. I am still waiting for that, but am making plans that will allow us to continue to play in the woods without them.
Guys and gals......Who among us really cares THAT much about having the SCCA championships?
I like to go and play in the woods with my friends. We all have some good friendly competition, and a lot of GREAT parties here in the Northwest.
Hold my Beer and watch THIS!!

John Lane
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Amen brother, I don't care what it says on the number backer, for that matter I don't care if there is a number backer.

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>Hold my Beer and watch THIS!!
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>John Lane
>Viva Le Pro Le Ralliat

I've been around John a few times and heard these words. Its usually worth paying attention.

Go John !!!

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>"SCCA is notorious at
>helping people come in and get a foothold, and patting them
>on the back and showing them how to do it, and then we're
>wondering all of a sudden where our are members going, where
>our are sponsors going."

Uh, other santioning bodies had anything to do with
us loosing series sponsors? I realize that he is
generalizing about the club. However, it sure does
seem like the few events that are non-SCCA have lots
of good stuff going on.... like sponsors!

Anders
 

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In defense of SCCA

What we get from Texas region SCCA is financial backing so that the Paris rally doesn't cost me as much money as it could. We also get equipment such as a scoring computer, generator, cones, baricades, water jugs, trailer to work control from, etc. We get workers from race and solo.

What we get from the staff in Topeka including Pete Lyons is help making the city of Paris attorney happy. And of course the RFO's which are helpful in putting a rally together.

Can we get this from other sources? Certainly. We have in the past. The Dallas Sports Car Club used to be the prime organizer of the Big Bend Bash and the Paris rallies. Remember NARA and NARRA? In racing, see IMSA and NASA. Here locally Equipe Rapide does solos. But the infrastructure of SCCA is still pretty good until the national Board of Directors start micromanaging things that is.
 

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Sooooooo, rallying is SCCA's property now.

If I wasn't quasi-civilised, I'd dig in to my endless supply of "words that have not seen the light of day".

Is this guy for real ? What support, what opportunity ? Does he think we are fools ? Call me any name you want if you see me get ripped off for another ProRally licence, I'll reluctantly pay the $75 membership fee and use my FIA licence that I get renewed for a fraction of what SCCA charges for a BS SCCA Pro Licence.

I hope now everybody can see the mentality of SCCA and their head honcho. Do they really think they are doing the job ?

Fumingly,

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Steve Johnson-where'd we get this guy!!

I have to say the whole article burned me. Here Steve is saying that SCCA is a great club and is cattering to the members. But what in reality is happening is SCCA is becoming a marketing company-a bad one at that-and cattering to the companies who's products its selling.
Comments about SCCA getting into "drifting" as a sport and trying to get more forms of racing such as karting to be SCCA members is all well and fine but what about those of us already members? What happend to our events?
It is rather appearent after reading the article that SCCA is just becoming a business of selling membership-Steve wants all racing to be associated with SCCA-benefits of insurance, trained workers (unpaid or rather paid for the membership to work)etc. fine, but wouldn't you think that SCCA should do something for the members? Now I can see why we're stuck with PRD person we have-both are full of it and are not providing the membership the service they're claiming.x( As always IMHO
 

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RE: Steve Johnson-where'd we get this guy!!

I've kept quiet about Steve until now. I first spoke to him at Prescott just after he'd taken over. We had a conversation poolside while we were waiting for the pizza to arrive. I didn't know him and he didn't know me. Anyway, we chatted and I told him what I felt about SCCA even back then and my opinion has not changed for the better since. Needless to say, nothing I said has changed and is unlikely to change until we get a complete change of management at SCCA. Until they respond to us, the members, in such a way to make rallying grow here, then we are wasting our collective time, beating our heads against a wall that doesn't know how to lead. Time for a change folks and get us an organization that will respond to its members and their input. Doesn't our SCCA membership fees help pay for these people's salaries? Maybe I won't renew my membership next year. Any others feel the same way?
 

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Boy, are you guys cynical! For crying out loud just listen to what the guy is saying. He totally admits that the SCCA shafted rally in the past and that they are gonna hafta work to rebuild the relationship, and from what I see the SCCA is doing that. I've seen a marked improvement in the 4 years I've been a member. Could other organizations do rally? Sure, but the SCCA WANTS to do rally, and they are putting there money where their mouth is. Those of you at the CRNC may have noticed a number of folks from Kansas working the event. Oh yeah, they were all there on their own buck too, BECAUSE THEY WERE INTERESTED IN RALLY. I've never been a big fan of the SCCA, and I'll freely admit that the administration of rally has a long way to go, but we all have to admit that it has come a long way in the last couple years already. Give them a chance.

BTW, instead of questioning Steve Johnson's motives in SS, just call or email him. He's very approachable, answer's all his email, and seems genuinely interested in listening to members. I've emailed him a couple times and he called me once (out of the blue, just to chat apparently) and everytime he was very honest and forthright with me.

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Dennis, my question is "Why was rally shafted in the first place?" Maybe they couldn't visualise how big this sport would become. Seems like looking into the future with all their expertise didn't work!
 

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>Dennis, my question is "Why was rally shafted in the first
>place?"

Who the hell cares??? Maybe they didn't like rally, or maybe didn't understand it. Maybe they wanted to divert more resources to what was popular at the time. I don't know and I don't care. As long as they get they do what needs to be done now, I don't really care what they did. Life is too short to hold a grudge. SCCA screwed up, admitted it, and now wants to make things better. All they want is a chance. Worked for Bill Clinton! :)

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Who the hell cares?

I think the question about why rally got shafted in the first place is important. If it happened once, it could, and will, happen again.

The likelihood of it happening is probably closer than most will admit, because of the recent "events".

If SCCA shafted rally in the past in favor of something "more popular" what exactly makes you think it won't happen again?

NOTE: I am not saying that rally got shafted in the past because some other motorsport was more popular. I'm just going with a theory.

Yes, Steve is a good guy. But he's just one guy. He's always been nice to me and mine, but I have to admit that his comment in GRM really threw me off.

It sounded like the SCCA considers all rally "theirs" and they don't want the competition in sanctioning/insurance; anyone catch the next paragraph, where he lauds this same trend in road racing?? Anyone think that was kind of a strange thing to say after his statements on rally??

What is that saying about history and being doomed to repeat it??

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Screwed in the past

I was talking with the organizers of the "Ponderossa Sweepstakes" National Rally(from the 1970's, Spokane,Wa.) last year. They are a real nice bunch of old guys, kinda like talking to your grandpa about rally. And then I mentioned the SCCA.... lets just say there were things said that shouldn't be repeated in polite company. Funny how Spokane had good rally club events from the 60's to the early 80's. The SCCA got involved here in the late 70's and now there's nothing.
 

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A local fuel distributor asked who I raced my car with. When I said "SCCA"....he started laughing.

"I used to road race but quit after a while."

"Why?"

His reply was "SCCA.....change a rule a day."

Brian
 
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