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Just curious but WTH happened to rally tn? Missed it last year and damned if its canceled this year... Im in knox tn , would of been the closest one to me... From the pics I seen of the event it looked pretty organized and well ran? Just lack of funds/ interest...etc ?
 

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Anders said he wasn't organizing it anymore and was asking for volunteers to take over.
As far as I know that's pretty much it. Anders has his plate full as it is and no one stepped up to take it over for him. If you've got the stones and the brains I'm sure he'd be more than happy to see the reigns passed on to someone else...it certainly looked like an epic asphalt rally...
 

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Hummm.... Maybe I shall seek further counsel on this... Might make a call to mark bowers and see if he may be interested...... I know he's a super busy guy though.... Id really rather it not be a tarmac rally, there are plenty of gravel roads in east tn . Just getting TDOT to do anything would be the hard part.
 

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Ive got a buddy that's from scott co. tn . He said its nothing BUT dirt roads there and its a really low income area so im sure they would be all about generating some revenue .
 

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Hummm.... Maybe I shall seek further counsel on this... Might make a call to mark bowers and see if he may be interested...... I know he's a super busy guy though.... Id really rather it not be a tarmac rally, there are plenty of gravel roads in east tn . Just getting TDOT to do anything would be the hard part.
TN was one of TWO tarmac rallies we have in the states. Having it go the way of another gravel rally wouldn't make it worth running IMO. I am glad I got to compete in it the last 2 years.
 

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Billiant stages. It would be a shame to see this rally disappear. The Linden residents really embraced the event, partying outside their homes cheering us on during transits. We ran out of stickers and team postcards at service and were even waved down at traffic lights by kids to sign their shirts! Great atmosphere. Great people. Wonderful rollercoaster roads. I think the Pirate would agree.
 

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Road permissions are a gimme on this one - TDOT has nothing to do with it - it all comes from the county.

As said, the only reason that it is not running this year is a lack of an organizer willing to take it on - nothing more, nothing less.

And I will reiterate that the event has some of the most awesome roads, asphalt or gravel, in the US.
 

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I wouldn't knock the asphalt roads without trying it first. I'm not really a tarmac fan, but I f'in loved RallyTN. Wicked roads and you wouldn't get to experience them like that any other way.
 

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Wasnt knocking tarmac @ all . We run deals gap all year around . SO is anders the only organizer on the east coast? Surely somebody high up that has the know how could take it over?

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Ive been to cleveland tn . Some nasty gravel roads there , but I think Scott co. would be better IMO .
 

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Bummer...we have a window in our schedule and had hoped to take the Escort to TN for some tarmac fun.
Man, I would have loved to come run against you guys in the Escort!
 

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Anders has his plate full as it is
After RTN 2011 there was a town hall/driver's meeting. I told everyone that Amy and I wanted to spend more time with our super cool little daughter, who was then 1.6 years old and becoming much more vocal and mobile. :)

SO is anders the only organizer on the east coast? Surely somebody high up that has the know how could take it over?
No, I'm not the only organizer on the east coast. ;) Depending on how you measured it, I may be the newest. I might be the youngest (at 40). I think of all of them, I've been around rally the shortest (started in 1999). I'm certainly those most handsome and have the best hat! :cool:

If the people want, the people have to do. I've said for a long time that it's our sport, not my sport. Gage, you're new, so it's not obvious to you, but even to most other racers, it's not clear either:

  • There isn't a vast pool of resources waiting to be deployed, it's actually the opposite: everyone is short handed.
  • The organizers aren't magical people: they are just former racers who stepped up.

Here's something I learned recently. I did an analysis of all the racers on the east coast for the past five years and then looked at all the volunteering data for the past 2.5 years for NRS events on the east coast. Using some cross referencing and some estimations based on cross pollination in one direction to estimate racers who volunteer at events I don't have data on, what I found was this:


  • The percentage of racers who ever volunteer at an event is about 16%. So about 84% never volunteer.
  • The percentage of racers who have volunteered more than once is about 4.5%. So about 95% will never do more than once.
  • The percentage of racers who ever volunteer after they stop racing is about 5%.

So to put those numbers in perspective, take a nice rally of 30 cars... that's 60 racers. 10 people, just five cars worth, will help out a rally at some point. 7 of those people will do it once, ever. 3 people will do it more than once.

Now, let's say I've made a mistake in the math. Or let's imagine some other part of the country has vastly different participation rates when it comes to racers volunteering. Let's say, that for some weird reason, it's 50% better there. Or 100% better. Or 200% better. Those number are still atrocious. Quadruple it. Only 12 racers at a rally would go volunteer more than once. For as much as we, as a community, talk about helping each other, when it comes to making events happen, we don't.

What's the takeaway? Two things:

1) The people organizing rallies are a tiny, tiny, TINY fraction of the racers. Racers, statistically, don't help.
2) To MASSIVELY increase the percentage of racers volunteering at multiple events takes so few people to actually step up and do something. The potential is huge for racers to make a difference, if they only will do it.

I can honestly say, these numbers amazed me. Absolutely floored me. The reason I bring them up is Gage's reference to "someone high up". The only way you can learn how to organize a rally is to help organize a rally. You don't learn it by driving or navigating. You may think you do, but you don't. And we have a very real problem if only 4.5% of the people who are interested in the sport enough to race (and the love generally comes from racing), if such a tiny fraction are helping, where will the future "someone high up" come from?

Behind the continual, year after year decrease in the number of entries we've seen for nearly the last decade, I'd say this is the number two problem in our sport. And up until a couple weeks ago, no one even knew it existed.

So, to all, if you love rally, volunteer at three events at which you're not racing in 2012. Oh, that's hard? You would have to go a long way? You would have to take time to do that? Please don't imagine that your efforts and sacrifice would exceed those of the kind souls who working on the events at which you go racing. They won't. But also know that your time will be very appreciated, and that you will have an adventure, and you'll be among friends, beers will be raised and stories told. :D

Anders
 

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  • The percentage of racers who ever volunteer at an event is about 16%. So about 84% never volunteer.
  • The percentage of racers who have volunteered more than once is about 4.5%. So about 95% will never do more than once.
  • The percentage of racers who ever volunteer after they stop racing is about 5%.

Anders
I'm proud to say I'm in the super minority. (EDIT: And I'm an even smaller minority that races AND volunteers at the same event even before a DNF!) As much as I want to make light of the situation, this is horrible. I think I can count, one MAYBE two hands, the number of competitors I have EVER seen volunteering at any event I've been to in the last 4 years. I know it's easier to sit at your computer and bench race or criticize how events are run, or why you're not running. But people... get out there and participate! Your inaction as a competitor OR a volunteer IS making the sport dwindle and die.

And as much as I know you're all thinking this about the data:


The reality is real. There are no alternative realities.

And if you think you can't get out of the house and make the long drive to a rally? Volunteer to help do remote scoring (http://www.specialstage.com/forums/...-to-help-an-event&highlight=virtual+volunteer). So there's really no excuse to NOT help out unless you really are part of the 84% and want to continue being selfish.
 

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Organizers should also be mentoring and fostering talent to take over for them when they leave. Whether you are a one man committee or have umpteen plus people helping, grab ahold of someone and foster them along.
 
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