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This will be my first time working with an AWD vehicle. Last year I was running a mid-sized FWD sedan with Green Diamond tires -- which were amazing on last year's ice, btw! Last year's vehicle went to son for college, so I am wondering if I can get away with a less aggressive tire considering the WRX's AWD?
I have 6 month old Uniroyal Tiger Paws all-season tires on the car now. If I can pick up some additional rims, then I can mount some Firestone Winterforce tires. I am considering sticking with the Uniroyals due to travelling from PA, tire noise, gas mileage, no extra rims right now, etc. Yes, I realize that the conditions, at that time, are the best guide, but wondering about "general" probabilites...
 

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Dave, I've worked Snodrift for at least the last 10 years. Never had anything special for tires, just every day allweather tires on a ranger pickup, VW Jetta, and Ford Escort Wagon all 2wd. My current Dakota Pickup is 4wd but only has off road patern street tires. The only time I had any problem was after the rally in, I think 2006, when we had rain and we stayed in the lodge which is right on the last stage. A number of us got stuck heading to the lodge Saturday night or leaving the lodge Sunday morning, but the roads were so slippery, you couldn't stand on them. I wouldn't invest in any new tires just for Snodrift, but if you need them for daily driving, it wouldn't hurt to get them before Snodrift.
 

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Dave, I've worked Snodrift for at least the last 10 years. Never had anything special for tires, just every day allweather tires on a ranger pickup, VW Jetta, and Ford Escort Wagon all 2wd. My current Dakota Pickup is 4wd but only has off road patern street tires. The only time I had any problem was after the rally in, I think 2006, when we had rain and we stayed in the lodge which is right on the last stage. A number of us got stuck heading to the lodge Saturday night or leaving the lodge Sunday morning, but the roads were so slippery, you couldn't stand on them. I wouldn't invest in any new tires just for Snodrift, but if you need them for daily driving, it wouldn't hurt to get them before Snodrift.

Thanks for the reply, Paul! I have a full set (+3 extras) of Winterforces that came with my Rex, but no rims for them. If I get a good deal, then I'll go for the extra rims, as that is the long term plan anyhow. Thanks again.
 

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I live a bit farther north than balmy Akron and use winter tires on both quattros.
One has Winterforce, the other Nordman 2. As I'm traveling within the same state, I can only speak for Michigan. The state highway department does a good job keepng the interstates and state highways clear. The stage access roads will be at minimum, hard packed snow. You're usually on them for 5-10miles. Some years good, others no so much. If it snows during the event or your travel time, all bets are off.
Remember that it's not just aggressive tread that defines a winter tire. The compound is usually different so that the tire remains more flexible at lower temperature. There have been years when the daytime high has been single digits. Since the car came with real wintertires as part of the package, I'd shop for a wheel deal and put them on.
 

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Since the car came with real wintertires as part of the package, I'd shop for a wheel deal and put them on.
Since you are likely to eventually need more wheels for the winter tires anyway rather than using those tires year-around, if the budget allows do it in time for the rally. If not, it probably won't be a problem with AWD. I've never had anything more than normal street tires on my Legacy or now my Volvo XC at the event and haven't had problems. I even made it out from the Lodge in the instance Paul references above and that was a pure skating rink. Good times!

See you there.
 

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I have been to two Sno*Drift rallies recently. Drove a Subaru SW (with Yokohama IG10s) in 2008 and a Subaru Sedan (with Yokohama IG20s) in 2010.

It is a 12 hour drive to the rally and I would never consider driving to and from S*D without snow tires.

At the event, you can get around on main roads OK without snows, but if bad weather comes, snows are the way to go.

We usually drive on little used roads to spectate. Last year, I was very thankfull to have snows when we drove over some of the stage roads that had been already used.

I may not own any winter boots, but I always want to have winter boots on my car when I go to a winter rally.:rolleyes:
 

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Doug, you live in Quebec. You don't have a choice (anymore). At least on the car.
And I would probably be better off if snow boots (for the feet) were also mandatory.:)

The compulsory snow tire law is in effect from December 15 to March 15. This is crazy, if I look out my window at all the snow on the ground and the road. It should start at least on December 1 and even better on November 15.

Today is the last day to get the snows on. Don't even try to go near a tire shop or garage today.

I put my snows on around the third week of October.
 

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The compulsory snow tire law is in effect from December 15 to March 15.

Today is the last day to get the snows on. Don't even try to go near a tire shop or garage today.
Wow. Is this a provincial regulation? And we think we live in a nanny state in the US, (well we do, it's just not quite as highly developed, yet!).
 

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Wow. Is this a provincial regulation? And we think we live in a nanny state in the US, (well we do, it's just not quite as highly developed, yet!).
Yes, Quebec provincial law. And a good one. Drastic reductions in winter accidents and deaths since it came into force. Keeps a lot of junker cars on bald summer tires off the road in the winter. Also gives the less talented drivers a fighting chance to control their cars under braking and steering.

As for nanny state, in Canada we tend to view such laws as good ideas, as opposed to some infringement of our freedom.
 

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Epic thread drift

Ontario controls the stores and hours when one can buy booze.

And, Canada has "free" health care.

Oh, wait, .................


As for nanny state, in Canada we tend to view such laws as good ideas, as opposed to some infringement of our freedom.
press on,
 

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Thanks for everyone's replies!

I'll combine all ideas and then apply a mathematically rigorous benefit/cost ratio analysis algorithm to determine the appropriate outcome. Translation: The expected savings on my new car insurance deal did not materialize and my wife is not keen on large expenses around the Christmas season, so I'll look for a reasonable deal on some used rims. :rolleyes:

Trying to find a deal on OBS or WRX "16 rims before someone else snaps it up is like trying to find '72 240Z SU carbs and intake many years ago...
 

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Dave--

Back to your original question. Most people in Michigan get by with just all season tires. That said, most everyone on this forum in MIchigan, have winter tires. I don't think I would work the Ranch stage with all seasons, but all the other stages are just regular roads that people use daily.

definitely, ymmv

see you there

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I submit that Minnesota "blue" laws are far less restrictive than Ontario's.

And I long ago pitched that every event supps should have the local booze laws in them............

Haven't tried to buy in the Cities on a Saturday night, have you?
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As for nanny state, in Quebec we tend to view such laws as good ideas, as opposed to some infringement of our freedom.
Fixed it, Doug. I haven't heard of any other province passing such a law. I can imagine the uproar in the Western provinces. I can HEAR the roar should any state try a law like that.
 

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Fixed it, Doug. I haven't heard of any other province passing such a law. I can imagine the uproar in the Western provinces. I can HEAR the roar should any state try a law like that.
Believe that several states in the US only sell in state liquor stores where the state also control times and costs. According to Wikipedia, there are 19 states with varying types of control of liquor sales. Some allow sales outside of state stores and some don't. Some in include beer in state stores only and others allow beer and wine to be sold elsewhere.

Living in Texas, we still have dry areas where there are no stores that sell liquor or beer for off premise consumption but, some have private clubs that anyone can join for a fee and some are totally dry. Quebec is not alone in their liquor laws!!

So, Quebec is not alone in their liquor laws. Agree with Jimmy's suggestion to include local liquor laws in the event supps.
 

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Aah, but Dave: Doug and Bruce were referring to the requirement for snow tires in Quebec (remember snow tires, that's what the thread started out to be about). :)
 

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Aah, but Dave: Doug and Bruce were referring to the requirement for snow tires in Quebec (remember snow tires, that's wat the thread started out to be about). :)
You're correct Kent but, what threads on SS ever stay true to their first post and title?? I was just following the current train of thought and make sure Bruce knew that Quebec wasn't the only area in north america that had archiac liquor laws.
 
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