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- New rules suck! All the work Glenn did was ignored and SCCA came with stupid, "anything goes", rules.
- It's fully legal to build 1992 VW Golf GTI 16V that meets SCCA Historic rules. Is that what they want?
- On the other hand you can't run 1972 Volvo 142E but you can run 1982 Volvo 240!!
- Thanks, SCCA, for killing the last hope there'd be a class for us Old Farts Inc. (BTW: FART in Swedish means "speed")

PS. P class is a mess as well - they let 20-year old cars in. Nobody cares, nobody reads the rules.... Hey, that 1992 GTI could be both; Historic AND a P-car and win TWO tropphies at the same rally!
 

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RE: SCCA

It isn't totally fair to say the SCCA/PRB ignored it.

I sent a proposal for 2004, they came back with a suggested handshake deal amongst competitors, which I didn't implement for 04.

I just ASSUMED they would be incorporated into the 2005 rules. I have submitted a COMMENT to Sue, JB and Christian on the PROPOSED 2005 RULES to the effect that the PROPOSED changes EXCLUDED my proposal from Nov 03.

I have yet to receive a reply.

Glenn
 

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Glenn's Proposal

Glenn,

To bring your proposed revisions of the 2004 Historic Rules forward again, I took the liberty of copying it into this post:

Rich Smith
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Edit: ( SEE GLENN's LETTER BELOW )
 

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RE: Glenn's Proposal

Here is what I sent 12/13/03:

Submission to SCCA PRB:

Appendix H (Historic) Category/Class ? Suggested Revisions for 2004 Rules.

The following adjustments are proposed to increase the appeal of the Historic class to competitors and spectators, and also look to the future by setting guidelines that hopefully will still apply in the distant future when cars like the Subaru Impreza are seen as historic vehicles.

1. Allow Appendix H to be a ProRally eligible category/class.
Currently, Historic cars have to compete in Group 2/5 to enter ProRally events. While they can enter supporting ClubRally events in H class, it further dilutes the appeal of the class to spectators and competitors by not having H class eligible for ProRally. The existing rules can take care of series points/awards for undersubscribed classes if sufficient H class entries don?t show up.

Rule text change: Table in 10.1 A, in the ?Historic? row, after ?ClubRally? add ?& ProRally?

2. Introduce a rolling 25 year age requirement for H class.
This would allow Opel Asconas, Saab 99's, Colts, 510's to still compete in 2004, but would provide some definition around the class. The definition is needed to both delineate the class for entrants (vs. Group 2/5) and also make the concept easy to communicate to spectators. This change would (for now) exclude newer cars such as a 1986 Ford Mustang, or an early Rx-7, which would be eligible under the new 2004 rules.
Having a rolling age requirement, rather than a fixed date cutoff, sets in motion a structure that allows inclusion of gradually more cars over time. If participation increases, further thought can be given to subdividing the class at that time. However, for 2004, having a single class based around a 25 year minimum age requirement seems like a good first step.

Rule text change: 2004 Appendix H, 2 Eligibility, insert new text: ?Cars entering Performance Rally events in Historic Class must be at least 25 years old.?

3. Remove the 2WD, carb/mechanical FI and N/A requirements.
These restrictions serve no purpose, once an age requirement window is added and if the preparation rules and competitor enforcement is relied upon.
Historic cars, regardless of their factory or period equipped technology, should be eligible for historic class.
If the car was OE or "rallied in period" with 4WD, turbo and/or EFI, then so be it. (i.e. subject to the rolling age window, a 1987 Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 4x4 would be eligible, or a 1986 RS200.. come 201x). Note that by saying "in period" I mean a Ferguson 4WD Capri would be OK, or a mechanical fuel injected RS1600 (Roger Clark's was for the 72 RAC) would be OK, but not a Colt with a modern Impreza drivetrain in it. This would remain competitor enforced, as in 2004 rules Appendix H section 3 and 4.

Rule text change: 2004 Appendix H, 2 Eligibility. Remove the entire paragraph starting ?In all cases?.? and ending ??with currently available carburetor(s).?

4. Remove the restriction on light pods.
Again, looking forward, this would exclude light pods on such fine historic machinery as the Lancia Stratos, and future historic cars such as the Ford RS200, etc.

Rule text change: 2004 Appendix H, change section 3, item 3 to read ?Lighting is free. Light pods are allowed if they were used in period for rallying.?

Respectfully submitted,

Glenn Wallace
 

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RE: Glenn's Proposal

- Thanks, Glenn, for your continuing effort to get series going.

- Let's have a poll what would-be Historic Rallyist think about these rules (great, simple rules - in my opinion.....)
 

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RE: Glenn's Proposal

Cool.

Hey Topi, I am getting a Fire Arrow from Washington sent back home to the midwest, and you never know when I might bring that thing back out in "P" and "H" trim to kick some arse!

That could be some great fun RWD and bulletproof!

It even comes with BRAND NEW c2 suspension components!!!!!
 
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