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Just thought I'd throw this out and see what your opinions were.

I am getting close to finishing up my Stratos replica. It is a Hawk HF series kit which is regarded as being the most authentic replica available. The only signifigant differences between it and a real one being that the real cars had a steel monocoque body with an integral roll cage but mine has a fiberglass body over a steel space frame & cage. Other than that, everything on the car is 'visually identical' to the real thing. The suspension for example has the same geometry as the original but some of the bushes are not the same diameter. A hard-core Stratos nut might also notice that the floor panels are alloy or the gauges on the replica G4 dash are VDO instead of Veglia.

The car currently has a carb'd 2L Lancia Twin-Cam as used in the beta rally cars. This kind of engine was actually fitted to one real Stratos for testing before they decided to go with a modified version of the Ferrari V6 from the 246 Dino. It is a wonderful little engine and most people don't know it's not right but I'd really like the engine bay to look a bit more authentic. The Ferrari engines are just too expensive for me. The popular engine for the replicas in the UK is the Alfa/Lancia V6 as used by lancia on the Thema & Thesis models. This is a 3.0L 24v unit and aside from the diff being on the gearbox end of the engine instead of the middle, it really looks and sounds right. Although rare, there is some precedent for fitting 3.0 liter engines in the original Stratos - There were a few 3.0L V6 Dino engines used and Maglioli also built one car fitted with a 308 V8.

So my question is this. If I were use a 3.0L Alfa/Lancia V6 retrofitted it with carbs in my Stratos replica, would you guys consider it legal for Historic G5?

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John B.
 

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>Just thought I'd throw this out and see what your opinions
>were.
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>So my question is this. If I were use a 3.0L Alfa/Lancia V6
>retrofitted it with carbs in my Stratos replica, would you
>guys consider it legal for Historic G5?
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>Thanks,
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>John B.

John:

You are welcome to run the vehicle in NASA events. We had a specific discussion regarding the Stratos replicas during our rule making.

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Thanks. I really appreciate both the offer and that you guys thought about replicas during your rule making process.

The problem is that with a 3L QV engine, the minimum weight for the car under the NASA SuperSport class is 2700 lbs. That means I'd have to add about 800 lbs of balast to the car. I'm not so sure I want to do that. The weight and power of a replica in this configuration are about the same as the early works cars and that is what I want to experience driving. The Stratos is not a 1/2 ton truck - it seems like adding that much weight would kill your engine (and brakes and suspension and chassis) and be very bad for the cars already tricky handling.

I really just want to have a bit of fun and let people see a Stratos in action - well as much action as possible without wadding it up in the trees anyway.

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>I really just want to have a bit of fun and let people see a
>Stratos in action - well as much action as possible without
>wadding it up in the trees anyway.
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>John B.


Just run it in open then and don't worry!!
 

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Are you suggesting SCCA open or NASA open? It doesn't really matter - either solution would work. I haven't seen any rules for the NASA open class but I'm NOT strapping 700 or 800 pounds of balast to the car.

If I don't go historic, I'll just use some nice Jenvey throttle bodies with an electromotive ECU/ignition instead of the Webbers. It's not a completely authentic solution but there were fuel injected Stratos so it's not all that bad.

It just seemed like historic might be a good fit for us so I thought it was worth asking.

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>Are you suggesting SCCA open or NASA open? It doesn't
>really matter - either solution would work. I haven't seen
>any rules for the NASA open class but I'm NOT strapping 700
>or 800 pounds of balast to the car.
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>If I don't go historic, I'll just use some nice Jenvey
>throttle bodies with an electromotive ECU/ignition instead
>of the Webbers.

Well, how about two separate H classes, with 1980 and 1972 cut-offs? We've got some other Italian car nuts who want to run their fiats in a competitive class.
 

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Maybe - if there are enough cars then splitting the historic class might be a good idea. It always seemed to me that during the early 70's, the sport got a LOT more serious. Cars like the Stratos, Fiat 131, Ford Escort, Triumph TR8, Vauxhal Chevette and Talbot Sunbeam Lotus came onto the scene and set the stage for Group B. With a few notable exceptions like the Renault Alpines and Porsche 911s, the new cars were much faster than their predecssors. Wonderful cars like the Mini, Saab 96, MGs, Fiat 124 and Lancia Fluvia HF were no longer competetive. I'd like to see all these and more competing in the Historic class or classes though.

Is the idea behind the Historic class that we can take old cars and have good fun rallies without going flat-out all the time (destroying the car), or is it that we want to go flat-out in older cars? I've always leaned towards the first option. My thinking was that if you wanted to drive flat out, you should be in G2 or G5 but I guess that's no fun if/when you're not competitive against the newer cars. If we're not driving flat out, it becomes a lot harder to decide where to split the class too. How fast is a Saab 96 driven at 8/10ths compared to an Escort driven at 8/10ths? What happens if one of the drivers gets excited and starts pushing harder? Maybe we have to assume everyone's going as fast as they can even if they choose not to.

Sorry, I'm rambling.

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I would assume everyone is going to go as fast as possible, the type/class/age of car for me would have no bearing on the matter, but that is just me, others may not.
 

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Yeah - I agree, you have to assume that everyone will drive flat out.

I guess that means that at some point (when there are enough cars), we might have to split the historic cars into two groups. It doesn't seem like much of an issue for the time being though.

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John,
Do you know Jeff Davidson who is building a Stratos replica with 308 in it? How about Stan Ramirez in Texas?
 

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Yeah - I know Jeff. I'm pretty sure he's supercharging that 308 V8 too - should be quite impressive. I don't know a Stan Ramirez though.

John B.
 
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