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Rallying in Finland - numbers

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The conversation on JV's post further down the forum reminded me that I had this information about rallying in Finland that illustrates just how popular it is over there. Read on and just try to imagine these figures. I got these links and info on the world rally forums, particularly from user Riitta (thanks!). Most of these links are in Finnish, but you can get the general idea...

There are maybe 50-60 rallies a year, with maximum entries of 220 cars (Riitta explained that usually the entries vary between 80 and 220) :eek: Look at these pages and see ("osanottajat" is the entry list). I think those are organized by month and day:

http://www.mantta.fi/yritykset/tenab/kale2002.htm (to see other years just change the year on the link)

This page details the competitor and car stats:


Look at the kinds of cars... not quite prorally material :)

Also, I understand that these lines are the number of actual competitors for the year (first line drivers and second line codrivers, last column totals - 1901 drivers and 2337 codrivers :eek: ):

1-ohjaajia yhteensä 726 38% 448 24% 727 38% 1901
2-ohjaajia yhteensä 562 24% 487 21% 1288 55% 2337

The main page for this site - http://www.mantta.fi/yritykset/tenab/

BTW, JV or Topi, why are Toyota Starlets so popular for rallying over there, what with their tiny wheelbases?

I guess this can be filed under "curiosity", but there must be at least a little something that we can learn from them on how to attract more people to rallying? BTW, some of the Finnish guys in the forum believe (and I tend to agree with them) that the secret of their success is in quantity of competitors and level of competition.

LOL, I feel like I am talking about some fantasy rallying land in middle-earth (Lord of The Rings).

This would probably make for an interesting Specialstage.com editorial (if only I had the time)...
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>Another reason is the total lack of support for beginners,
>it took me almost a year to get my 2nd rally car log booked
>as when I called around to the officials I got a name for
>someone 2 hours away who was never avaible. Not once in all
>my efforts did anyone point out the 3 other people who could
>log book the car with in 15 min of my house. (my first car
>was so long ago it pre-dates log books)
>I expect Finland has a mentioning program for young or new
>drivers, I also expect they promote the idea of go out have
>some fun see what you can do, then and only if you do well
>should you look to make it into a professional effort. We
>need to do the same.
>Derek Bottles

This is not breaking new ground, IMHO the biggest differance is the motor clubs and the role they play in introducing new guys to the sport and supporting them. In the UK you have to join a MC before you can get a license, they are supported by the RACMSA and every town of any size has one.

I understand MC exist and offer the same support to new and experianced competitors in Italy, Scandinavia, France, Belgium and so on.

A MC gives you a social place where you can look for mentoring and learn new stuff in a relativly low pressure enviroment. You gain an instant network of like minded loonies who have been there and understand where you are and are willing to help.

That is exactly what is missing here...

As to the number of rallies in the UK, there are at usually 3 or 4 a weekend, sometimes more, I've been part of 180 car fields. They range from single stage events (think big rally-sprint on an old airfield or simular, maybe 25-40 stage miles and no transits) to multi-venue events lasting the entire weekend.

Most MC put on an event every year, which also spreads the load on organizers a lot wider. I was a memeber of Thame MC, a very small club with maybe 40 active members, we organized a multi-venue, 8 to 10 stage rally (the Aylesbury Stages) for the 4 or 5 years I was a member.

Just my thoughts...

Dave Kean
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