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I got that from a Saab mail list before it appeared here. And it is on NAISOC also.

Good luck to Ivan and company. How can we help?
 

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Be optomistic Don. Don't be an old grump. :) Ivan has the support of the local community which is the most important thing you can have.
 

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so it takes place in Sullivan county }(
good luck to this, i hope we can all pull together and help this happen.
 

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But even if you have the Kings support, you have to have the roads. I'll be there to work the event if it happens, but I won't say another word here, I promise. x(
 

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We here in memphis from memphisracingscene.com will be there to support. Bet on that.
 

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RNY roads are a combo of privately owned gravel and public tarmac. The private forest roads are awesome, fast and flowing. Tight and twisty in some places, wide and scary-quick in others. Lots of crests, dips, jumps. The private roads would offer good opportunity for organizers to limit access, charge admission, and maybe even make some actual $$ in putting on the rally. WRC events attract upwards of 250,000 paying customers and who knows how many non-paying ones. Sullivan Country NY is 80 miles north of the largest metro market in the entire US.

The tarmac roads are even more fantastic. We were racing right thru people's front yards, and the people come out to watch in droves. The crowds for the Int'l RNY this year were hanging out in lawn chairs, with bonfires, having a fine time watching airborne rally cars blast thru their neighborhoods. This might be the public access part of the equation.

The RNY crew has made great progress with the level of organization. Attracting a WRC race would require a whole bunch more progress. It seems like the local communitiy and regional gov't is supportive, this is potentially a major factor that's lacking at many other US rally venues.

There's a large horse-track/casino complex that could be a great place to host a media- and speccie-friendly super special. etc etc etc.

The strain of trying to attract a WRC event has bankrupted some organizers of Canadian rallies with a longer history and larger speccie turnout than RNY. IE, Charlevoix and Rallye de Quebec. This doesn't nean Raly NY can't do it, it's just a cautionary note. When rally becomes a business--and WRC is the biggest business in all of rally-- it takes a solid business model to make it work.

Dave G
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>RNY roads are a combo of privately owned gravel and public
>tarmac.

FIA rally regulations require that an event is run on a single surface. While I think it's good that RNY will have a choice in what type of surface to present, the organizers will need to find a significant number of miles on a single surface for an FIA observation.

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Popcorn----Check
Soda-------Check
Lounge Chair----Check

Let the games begin. This should be good. :p

Bill Westrick
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I believe without looking it up that it was announced the next 2 events are single surface.

Nevertheless it's a bit early to be picking nits isn't it?

Bernie
 

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RE: WRC Dragrace

I'll be there to Help out as well. Regardless which part of the Country the next WRC Event is held at.
 

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RE: WRC Dragrace

Having co-driven for one and a half Rallys New York, and having just attended a tarmac WRC (Rallye de France), I'd have to say the roads and spectator spots for RNY are easily on par with the level of a WRC, and it's in a great location with its proximity to the biggest city in the US. True, as Dave pointed out, the stages are a bit short, but then so are many WRC stages, and hopefully the added weight of an international event can pull some strings to squeeze some more miles in. The biggest road concern is the whole gravel + tarmac thing...don't know if RNY is still run with mixed roads, or if the FIA prohibits mixed surfaces on international events (I think at one point they did,) but that may be a little speed bump in the planning. Still, just details to be worked out as far as I'm concerned. However...

There's no way on God's green earth that any of the service areas I've seen at RNY (Andes and Monticello) could support even ONE factory WRC team, much less the entire media circus that is World Rally. Yeah, I've seen photos and videos and all, but I was totally unprepared and floored when I witnessed it in person. And I haven't seen much more hopeful prospects in the area. I'm loving the prospect of a US WRC, but they've got major hoops to jump through in this regard.

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RE: WRC Dragrace

>There's no way on God's green earth that any of the service
>areas I've seen at RNY (Andes and Monticello) could support
>even ONE factory WRC team, much less the entire media circus
>that is World Rally.


Neither one of those service areas have been used recently. The campground in Narrowsburg has plenty of room, is dry and flat. Probably one of the better service areas I've seen in the Northeast!

Rob
 

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RE: WRC Dragrace

>There's no way on God's green earth that any of the service
>areas I've seen at RNY (Andes and Monticello) could support
>even ONE factory WRC team,


The host and site of the super specials has plenty of room. There is also a local airport that comes to mind that is under used/ flat/ maintained well and close by. With the impending casino the infrastructure will improve even more.

The surfaces for the next 2 events I believe are uniform for the whole event. And as was said, the weight of such an event would surely make many more miles available (and there are a lot of great roads in that area of both tarmac and gravel still to be run)

Bernie
 

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I will! I will!!!

Oh...wait...you said 20 MILLION dollars. I only have a twenty. But I'd be happy to donate if it helps the cause!

Good luck, NASA and Ivan. I do hope you do not plan to sell out your home team/supporters by dis-allowing your local classes from entering once you hit the big time like SCCA planned and Mexico did.

Eric
 

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>The campground in Narrowsburg has plenty of room
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>Rob

Yeah, but the entrance certainly lives up to the town's name...it seemed like it was a bit of a chore just to get a cube-van in there. I certainly wouldn't want to try a WRC size rig ;)

Now, the horse track in Monticello on the other hand would be perfect for WRC style servicing: big, lots of paved real estate, easy access (including from a major highway), and, as someone else stated, the opportunity for some major media/bling goings-on :9

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