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1973 WRC POR
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Ben:

Post the photos. There are enough old farts here to identify them.

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>I got into work today to find a folder sitting on my desk
>full of photos from the 1973 POR. .....

>There's more, but names are hard to see, or numbers are
>obscured. If anyone has any stories to go with these new (to
>me) treasures, I'd love to hear them.


Ooooh....ooooh.... oooh....

Back in late '73 or early '74 I bought my '70 911. It had run the POR either in '72 or '73. The car was a redish/orange targa with black doors. I don't remember if it finished or DNF'd. The owner/driver was Donald "Don" Goss of Connecticut. I'd love to see a photo of that car.

So tell us.... (maybe without names if you need to keep it a secret).... Who/what/when/why... was there a folder sitting on your desk?
 

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As soon as I get my hands on a scanner I'll get them up. The color photos, (about 4"x5"ish with some wierd textured finish) are fading, but the black and white (8"x10"ish glossy) are very nice and sharp.

The only Porshce is a Carrera, #67, The drivers name is hard to read, but the navvie is R. Zyszkoski (that may be why it's hard to read the driver, more so than angle)

My boss, Chad MacDonald, aparently spectated the POR for a few years, and worked a stage back when it was out of Marquette. He saw some of the pictures I had added to the screensavers around the Inn from Maine Winter, and started asking me about how the sports doing these days.

I'll be bringing them to Rally New York this weekend if anyone wants a peak. I'll just be spectating and wandering around, but I promise, as soon as I can get a scanner I'll get them up.
 

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Ben, If you have a Porsche with that name it was Sobeslav Zazada and I think it may have been 1974 (I'll check when I get home). I have the event programs for 1972, 1973 and 1974 so i can match up photos with names and car numbers.
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RE: Sobiesaw Zasada

Sobiesaw Zasada from Poland was European Rally Champion in 1966, 1967 and 1971 (Vice-Champion in '68, '69 and '72). Porsche got a lot of advertising mileage from his 1967 win in a 912.

A quick google search will turn up a lot of info on him.

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I didn't have time to pick through them all, but the Renault Alpin is defnitly registered by the same team in your picture and mine.

Mikes- 3632 HK76
Mine- 3696 HK76

Pretty close with the tags. I'll try to flip through the rest tonight before I head out to NY.
 

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>I got into work today to find a folder sitting on my desk
>full of photos from the 1973 POR. Datsans, Renaults, Fiats,
>VWs galore. There's some great shots, if I can find a scanner
>I'll get them posted. The only numbers/names I can make out in
>the photos are-
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>109- Dodge Colt
>136- Fiat? Steve Dorr
>33- Mack Beers, Gary Hays
>35- VW beatle; Gary Eaton
>7- Fiat Spyder?
>8- Datsan 240?
>25- Bill Dodd, Jack ?
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>There's more, but names are hard to see, or numbers are
>obscured. If anyone has any stories to go with these new (to
>me) treasures, I'd love to hear them.

Well, not quite sure at the moment where I'velaid my 73 POR program but I did find the results sheets:

109 DodgeColt was Scott Harvey Sr. and Ralph Beckman. They ended up being excluded. Can't remember why. Doug,what was the story?

136 was Dorr and Anderson in a Datsun 510. They ended up 9th O'all.

The numbers started at 100, so no 33, 35, 7, 8 or 25, those shots would have been from a different event.

1973 POR was won by Walter Boyce and our very own Doug Woods who was too modest to mention the fact.

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Hi Everyone!

I did a little research on Rallybase.nl and with my dad. It seems that the Porsche on your picture does not belong to Sobieslaw Zasada. In the 1974 Press on Regardless, Zasada was codriven by Jerzy Dobrzanski. In 1975, he was co-driven by Wojciech Schramm.

As such, this car apparently belongs to Adam Smorawinski, one of only two drivers who had access to a Porsche 911RS in pro-socialist Poland (ofcourse, the other Pole was Zasada). It is, however, possible that Smorawinski was co-driven by Ryszard Zyszkowski on select rallies at that time.

To add an additional variable to this mystery, based on our information, Smorawinski/Zyszkowski never drove at Press on Regardless. It's conceivable however, that the car was ultimately sold to someone in the United States.

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I thought that the Porsche was Zasada because of the Polish Codriver's name. I was wrong. Zasada drove car number 63 in the 1974 POR and finished 7th (I think). There were two Porsches from Poland that year. Apparantly your picture is the other one. No Porsches entered the 1973 POR. Also the 73 POR was not based in Marquette. In 1974, there were 3 or 4 factory Fiat 124 Spiders, several Renault Alpines, a Lancia Stratos, and at least one Lancia Beta, two Renault R-17s and the already mentioned Porsches. No other POR had this assortment of entries. If your pictures include these cars, they must be from the 1974 POR, the first one headquarted in Marquette. Maybe the date from the film processor was wrong, or perhaps you have pictures from several years.
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Very interesting. It's gotta be a couple years mixed up then. There's a POR 73 banner in the backround in one of the large shots, but the rest of those definitly fit the '74 theme (numbers and cars not in '73).

Thanks for all of the help so far, it will definitly make finding info on these much easier now.
 

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I'll contribute info for the Scott Harvey exclusion. I'm not certain he was "excluded". We heard that at a mid-rally scrutineering the Colt was discovered to have a non-homologated strut cross member. Rather than face exclusion he finished the final stage and headed down the highway for Detroit. Not sure where Ralph ended up! But that's the story as I heard it.

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That does ring a bell now that you bring it up, Kim. However the offical results sheet does list them as "excluded".

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Prehaps the "Exclusion" had already taken place on paper by the Stewards of the Meet....and Scott knew that......what the hell...he lurks out here I'm told! Probably still doesn't want to answer that question!

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Since the topic has been raised by others. I was standing beside Scott's car when the hood was opened by rally officials at the secret observation control between stages. I also know what went on in the Steward's meeting, as one of my best friends was an event Steward.

Let's just say that Scott could not convince the Stewards that his non-homologated strut brace was simply a device for securing cables/wiring in the engine bay and not a structural device. Especially, after my friend demonstrated, by means of Euler's equations, how structurally effective a column with fixed ends can be. :)

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RE: PORs

It brings back a lot of memories to read of these PORs.

I drove in the 72 POR in a Renault as part of the London, Ontario based team that included the Gozzards. I also worked service for several PORs - for our Renaults and one year, after we were all DNF, part way through we took over the servicing for the Wirtz's Mazda.

I mentioned to Doug at a recent event, that the first time I got "up close" to he and Walter was during the 72 event in the middle of one of POR's more infamous stages - BGDR. We came around a corner to find that they had slid off and were in the process of winching the car back unto the road. The winch cable was across the road and we weren't able to stop in time without hitting it. The impact moved their car partially back unto the road.

We went on to DNF later that night (second of three) - at just after 50% of the event. Many of the stages were run on very fast logging truck trails. On the stage we DNF'd, we had the car up into fifth gear and came to a negative camber left 3. It was slightly downhill and the weather conditions had the temperature below freezing. What we couldn't see under the sand, was the ice that had formed. We ended off the end of the corner. Several spectators emerged immediately (they seem to always know where to be) and helped us back unto the road. Unfortunately, while there was no other damage, the impact had caused part of the casing within the gearbox to collapse and we were locked in 5th gear. We attempted to continue in the spirit of POR (and in the hope that we might get lucky and the problem might fix itself). Unfortunately that didn't happend and very shortly we had the clutch in flames with the resulting DNF.

I can't remember how much our assistance to Walter and Doug helped their result in 72. But they certainly went on to the top the following year.

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It was me Mike. They were from the Rideau Lakes and POR from the early to mid 70's.
 
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