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>>"Trophies will be presented for the GpF winner in the
>>divisional rallies. HOWEVER, in order to keep costs down
>>teams running the national event will NOT be eligable to
>>enter GpF. We will simply track the stage times
>>independantly so no additional entry fee is needed."
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>What you need to say is:
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>Trophies will be presented for the GpF winner based on the
>divisional rally results. In order to keep costs down you
>do not need to enter the clubrallies if you choose to enter
>the national rally; We will simply track the stage times
>independently so no additional entry fee is needed.
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>All: It is not so easy to write rules, help the person doing
>the work to clarify, always offer a suggestion, don't just
>highlight the problem.
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>What is Group F anyhow, and does it equalize P, G2, and G5?
Mike, it doesn't 'equalize' P and Gp2 or Gp2 and Gp5, it 'rationalizes' the ideas of Gp2 and allows in some of the pooor sods who are stuck in Gp5 without a hope in hell against turbocharged motors because they may be say 2550 8 v or 2200 4 valve, and it addresses the absurdity of all the dumb "lobbied in buddy deals" with the multi-vales or 8v push rod nonsense by having a progressive cc to weight structure.
If you recall back when there was an SCCA the rulers making system was a back room underground telegraph buddy deal thing.
When the Gp2 rules were in discussion in 1992, I was faxed a draft for comments and questioned then why all the coefficients, and why the requirements for a 1.05 lb per corrected cc, when Open class turbo 4wd cars had no min weight at all.
The answer from the then National Boss was "There are a lot of Mid-west PGT guys in Eclipses whining that they'll get beat if you don't have a weight rule."
I suggested just having a flat 2000cc (plus rebuild allowances of course) and dropping the unenforcable weight rules, since there were no scales at any event anyway.
Buffum countered "What about Volvo guys with a 2300 8v or non turbo GLH Doodges? and I conceded the point.
And PGT guys were beat even with the weight rules since those Eclipse things are HEAVY and poorly geared.
But the funny co-efficients with 8v and the 0.8 push rod thing was still there and thaty would allow a 3.0 pushrod motor in the same class as a 2000cc thing and that was absurd as we all know, compression being the same, a 50% larger motor will make a sheet load more torque, 1000cc ids 50% or 2000 and so I have agitated for a revision to the rules whenever the chance has come up as it did a couple of times prior to the Dictator's arrival.
Gp222 was the same old thing as I have been pushing forever only this time I asked my friend Derek Bottles to lead the fight/discussion.
There we suggested limiting things to 2000cc flat.
At some point Topi Hynanen wrote in and suhggested that why not adopt the Finnish GpF rules and linked to them and I called Derek and said "Why not?"
So we had an executive central committee meeting and said Sure they make sence.
The simplicity of "IF you have this many cc, then you are going to weight this much" and leaving it to the car owner to decide what degree of trim he's going do the motor is perfect because it doesn't mandate anything, or attempt to juggle too much.
And it addresses the potential torque increases with weight increases.
And it is a proven very successful and popular formula which allows a big variety of vehicles of different sizes and configurations to compete fairly equally judging from the Finnish results.
Turbos are banned since the available Ft/lbs is impossible to detirmine or control where as in normal aspirated it is reasonable easy to predict maximum ft/lbs for a given cc volume and with the limitations of gasoline.
BHP in normal aspirated motors of similar size can be quite variable but the advantage of very high specific output such as that from very high rpm motors is counterbalanced by delivery problems on loose surfaces.
So the idea is a long overdue revision to the old SCCA rules.
Free from any behind the scenes deal making or lobbying, done in public as all rules in voluntary recreational endevors should be.
Now you can call me a "Revisionist!!" if you get pissed at me!
Sorry but those guys who want to drive near stock powerplant cars can figure out what they want to do themselves.
John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168
Vive le Prole-le-ralliat!
Vive Le Groupe F!