Could somebody please move this thread to OT?
>Deleted,
>Well that's interesting isn't it? Appearantly Jesse Mullan,
>Mike Anson and his sniggering buddies are not proud enough
>of their opinions and motives to stand by them.
John,
I'm sorry that you're upset that the thread was deleted. It was deleted by one of the folks over there who was worried that things were getting a bit out of hand. Most of the folks from that board that I know (I don't know nearly all of them... just a few of the locals) are worried about creating any further delination between folks in rally. There is already too much.
Having said that, I don't think Mike Anson ever posted anything in that thread. I don't know if you've ever met Mike, but it's not usually in his nature to ruffle the feathers of folks. I think you owe him an apology.
As to your refence to everybody else as "sniggering buddies", I would appreciate it if you'd maybe think a little more before branding everybody who is a member over there. It's just that sort of haphazard, ad hominem attack that alienates those of us who do hold some respect for your opinion... however dogmatict that it may be.
Having said that, I did post in that thread. And, am ashamed of neither my opinons nor motives. Please, if you would ever like to talk to me about something I have written here or elsewhere, email me at
[email protected]. Or, if you'd prefer to discuss something here, I suggest we start a new thread in Off-Topic.
>I know that what I write annoys some people,and as Morgan
>says maybe I should change the way I say things, and I say
>OK, maybe.
Well, you did just call 70 people you've never met "sniggering buddies".
>But I don't think any honest person would suggest for a
>minute that the intent of what I write is anything more than
>an ongoing attempt to increase _INCLUSION_ and membership
>influence in the rules making and rules application process,
>and with that a more democratic process.
Perhaps the problem is delivery, then. To be honest, it sure does not come off that way. For example, see the paragraph below that you authored:
>And now,to the slackers boys sniggering away on your private
>little cub scout pack, I don't think that you guys helping
>work rallies, and put on and take part in so called
>"Rally-crosses" and going to every event in a 12 hour
>radius, or hosting a web site is nothing.
>And you guys have every right to whatever opions you want.
Maybe I mis-read that, but this does not come off inclusive in the least bit! This is supposed to help us get involved with the rule making how, exactly? Or, maybe (based on the other comments you've written here) I'm not the kind of guy you'd like making policy. Am I? I don't know... I'll bet you don't either. Thanks for making me feel welcome.
Not to mention the fact you AGAIN are painting with a broad brush, when the offensive remarks were made by, what, maybe 3 people?
Having said that, what more could a person who does not have the budget (yeah, believe it or not, some of us can't afford to have the expensive rally toys) do than what all the volunteers out there do? It's not bad enough that there are all these people out there dying to be involved in some minute fashion that they'll give up vaction and travel (on their own dime) just to help staff a position that will never see a car at speed. Now that doesn't count? That doesn't make you part of the rally clique?
>But sometimes you may ought to consider your ages and
>relative lack of experience in this sport before holding
>others in such obvious contempt.
Absolutely! On the other hand, just because somebody's "rally knowledge" is bigger, doesn't make them king of the compost heap. People should tolerate your ideas just as you should tolerate theirs. These "whose schwanz is bigger" arguements do nothing for anybody... yet they occur on here with great freequency.
>But, try and remember this: just because you don't see
>something, or are unaware of something, like just how much
>time I may be giving to the folks I'm helping for example,
>does not mean it doesn't exsist or hasn't happened.
I don't think anybody has said this. I think that everybody realizes how dedicated you are to the sport. On the other hand, please don't assume that us peons out here aren't giving back, too. And, please don't "put down" the folks that can only volunteer... that's not a way to help include people in any part of the sport.
And, before I forget, what's with this thread? I thought that Jesse was SPECIFICALLY told to take his gripes somewhere else (by the person who started this thread). Even though he did, it's still got to be played out here?
Matt Haiduk
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