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>A Different Datsun
>A Green 510 At Speed

>>A Volvo At Speed
>Again, names/cars/numbers don't match with the results
>above.
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>Jean Rizor Co-Drives A Volvo
>You sure these pix are '81?


And herein lies the problem.

When I first got started, I "thought" the color Sunriser pix (they are slides) were 1981 because they were mixed in with the 1981 B&W negatives.

I started wondering about it because the slides have started color shifting to green... you'll notice, there's a greenish cast that I can't get comepletely out. This is Ektachrome, which Kodak claimed was good for 20 years without a color shift. Kodak is generally reliable with those estimates, which causes me to thinking the slides might actually be older than 1981.

There's no more than a dozen of these slides, and none of the top contenders, which makes identifying the year difficult. They're all from Scioto Trail. If I remember right, at least through the early '80s, Scioto Trail was never a spectator location because it was too hard to get in and out of.


>Scott Harvey Leaves The Start Control
>Ahhh, The Rhino...truly a testosterone-enhancing vehicle...I
>remember it rather well...


Wish I could go back and strangle myself for not keeping negatives better organized. This is in a folder marked 1973 POR. I happen to know it's the '74 HIS because the next shot in the sequence is Harvey pulling away under a banner that reads 1974 HIS.

>Eric Jones leaving Houghton MTC
>POR, not sure if it's '74 or '75...


I know this is 1974. This is about the time the rumor was running around that the Fiat crew had repaired their car by taking the doors (with the car number) off the competition car and put them on a backup car, which they then used for the night.

I never did find out whether the rumor was true, but changing doors onto a new car seems like a fast method of car repair.
 

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The picture identified as a 610 or 710 at the 81 Sunriser is in fact a 510. That was Millen's car for a while. In 81 it was Woodner's & had a Cosworth BDA under the hood. He finished second to Millen at the 81 Sunriser.

Eric, I spent some time looking at old black & white 8x10's over the weekend. Boy do I wish I'd kept better notes.:(

The Rally Almanac is looking so good. Keep posting those old photos they are great.

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>Eric, I spent some time looking at old black & white 8x10's
>over the weekend. Boy do I wish I'd kept better notes.:(
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>Chuck Ashton

Well, get them scanned, find some place to host them (maybe Eric can?) and we'll all collectively scratch our bald spots and offer opinions of what we see!

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Eric,
Your color pictures are from the 78 Sunriser.
I found my results.

#8 510 is indeed Kim Demotte with Carolyn Hall on the 1978 Sunriser. Kim finished 31st out of 37 cars finishing. He lost about 10 minutes to the field on the infamous Creek stage. He still beat us though. We DNF'd on the second to last stage. Mad Mike also DNFed in a Chevy Vega.

The #51 beetle is Jeff Mcgeee/Dave Shelton.
The Volvo with the Kiwi flag is Graham Thompson/Jeff Becker

>>A Different Datsun
>>A Green 510 At Speed
Brian Rebney/Tom Bell from 78 Sunriser
>>>A Volvo At Speed
Bill Maher/Don Derose 78 Sunriser
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>>Jean Rizor Co-Drives A Volvo
Tom Tolles/Jean Rizor 78 Sunriser

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>There's no more than a dozen of these slides, and none of
>the top contenders, which makes identifying the year
>difficult. They're all from Scioto Trail. If I remember
>right, at least through the early '80s, Scioto Trail was
>never a spectator location because it was too hard to get in
>and out of.
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>>Scott Harvey Leaves The Start Control
>>Ahhh, The Rhino...truly a testosterone-enhancing vehicle...I
>>remember it rather well...
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>Wish I could go back and strangle myself for not keeping
>negatives better organized. This is in a folder marked 1973
>POR. I happen to know it's the '74 HIS because the next shot
>in the sequence is Harvey pulling away under a banner that
>reads 1974 HIS.
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>>Eric Jones leaving Houghton MTC
>>POR, not sure if it's '74 or '75...
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>I know this is 1974. This is about the time the rumor was
>running around that the Fiat crew had repaired their car by
>taking the doors (with the car number) off the competition
>car and put them on a backup car, which they then used for
>the night.
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>I never did find out whether the rumor was true, but
>changing doors onto a new car seems like a fast method of
>car repair.

Paul Jaeger
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>Well, get them scanned, find some place to host them (maybe
>Eric can?) and we'll all collectively scratch our bald spots
>and offer opinions of what we see!
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I'll put anything up there that anyone wants.

(Hopefully, Doug'll be sending us some of those vacation pictures of those women who couldn't afford the top half of the bikini. May be more interesting than rally pictures.)

There's 500 megs available on that site, probably enough room for 1,000 pix or more. I don't mind paying for the hosting, and I think it would be cool to have as complete a visual history of rallying in North America as possible. I've had a lot of fun with this project so far, and anyone who wants can join in.

If you want me to post something up there for you, send me an email and we can work out the details. I'm going to stop scanning for a little bit. It will take me a couple of days to write the code so that you can find images by driver or event.
 

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I was running the Saab by '81, so it couldn't be '81.

I'm thinking and early stage on HIS or STPR? Looks like a nice 'corps of engineer' downhill left....certianly National Forest potential. But it's not Sunriser '81.

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This shot was "pre-Creek". "Pst-Creek" we finished the event with no windshield (in those days the rule 'was no broken glass'....didn't say anything about 'no glass!').

Somewhere out there is a series of pics of the spectators at the Creek rolling us back on our feet...Ian Tugwell being the most prominent 'roller'....anybody got that set?

We finished with helmet shields on in the drizzling rain as I recall....might have been Carolyn's last ride....hmmmmm

And I remember something about a disastrous tow home losing a wheel off the trailer....an altogether forgettable weekend....thanks for remembering, Paul!

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>Mad Mike also DNFed in a Chevy Vega.

That POS broke any time I pushed it a little, but I do seem to remember logging faster stage times than a Porsche 911. ;)

http://www.realautosport.com/pics/Vega/sunr78-1.jpg

Isn't that Doc Shrader in the background with arms crossed and the cowboy hat on? The stature is right, the posture is right and he still wears those hats :7 so the only question is - was he running in the 78 Sunriser or available to hang out on a logpile??

BTW - In a classic fit of overcompensation my second rally car was a Peugeot 504, a machine I had to work rather hard to break!

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Thanks for the great pix, Eric.

I dug up the results from the 74 Canadian Winter. Here's the ID of the crews:

Car 23 - Jim Callon/Roger Dooley, Michigan - Datsun 510
Car 46 - Keith Spencer/Rob Simpson, Ontario - Honda Civic
Car 14 - Howard Wahn/Jim Pue-Gilchrist, Ontario - Datsun 510
Car 36 - Colin Werner/Ed Agnew, Ontario - Fiat 128

The rally had over 90 starters but only 18 finished due to a massive road-blockage during the night. Most of us DNFs spent the night at a gas stop waiting for Bob Lindquist to declare if we are max late or still in the rally. Eventually, around 5 am, Bob decided that there's goint to be no mercy.
 

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"Post-Creek"

>(That) shot was "pre-Creek". "Post-Creek" we finished the
>event with no windshield (in those days the rule 'was no
>broken glass'....didn't say anything about 'no glass!').
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>We finished with helmet shields on in the drizzling rain as
>I recall....might have been Carolyn's last ride....hmmmmm
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>Kim DeMotte
>Official Old Fart, etc.

Here's a pic I scanned from an old photo of Cotterman's:

http://www.realautosport.com/pics/Kims510s.jpg

Cotterman is wearing coveralls and about to take that baton to the knuckles of the bearded chap who looks ready to pour a can of peas into the carb. :7

Look closely and you'll see Kim had his name on the back of his hat, languishing as it was on the navvie's side of the car when this pic was snapped ...

From the ample evidence it appears Kim found a way to render the windscreen demisters moot at the same instant he massaged the roof into that unique shape ...

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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RE: "Post-Creek"

Well, it was a flashlight and not a baton, the can was full of tranny fluid that went som'ers into the carbalater somehow, but the id's on the driver and the reason for the vehicle lightening by way of glass removal are accurate...

Thanks for posting this one, Mike.

I do kinda wish I had the shot later on, with this thing in the parc ferme at POR, with training wheels on hubcaps on the rear wheels...

Kim -- is this beastie one of the two you've got in the garage? H class is calling your name...still got Ms. Hall's phone number?
 

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Eric,

You have got me looking through old photos & slides from
71 Canadian Winter, 72-75 POR, more Marathon 400, etc. I
don't have many, but I'll try to share what I have if I can
get the slides scanned.


This brings back alot of memories, and reminds me how much
I have forgotten!


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>Eric,
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>You have got me looking through old photos & slides from
>71 Canadian Winter, 72-75 POR, more Marathon 400, etc. I
>don't have many, but I'll try to share what I have if I can
>get the slides scanned.
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If you need, I'll scan the slides. I have a fairly (nay, make that way too) expensive slide scanner that does a pretty good job with 35 mm.

Send me a private email if you want me to do your scanning.
 

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Agreed
The green 510 is Brian Rebney.
Buffum's 911 is likely to be at 1976 NARA Marquette 1000. Zasada won the '75 POR with that car and sold it to Buffum. Note the Marquette 1000 plaque on the hood and if you can read the side of the car,the famous "Let's Boogie" side script would be there.
Woodner ran the "new" 1978- 510 in blue trim . When Roddy ran it it was yellow.
The Tom Tolles 122 is at a later rally. Note the WonderMuffler/Lancia ID package.As I remember Lancia/Wonder Muffler was David Ash's NARA /NARRA 1976/1977 sponsor. NARA didn't exist until the 1976 season. Lancia/Wonder Muffler was never an SCCA sponsor. NARRA then goes to the Montgomery Wards Auto Club as title sponsor for 1978.
In your 1975 Marathon 400 photos, Blok's 510 would be very distintive. It appears to be as two-door car but the doors are too short. He used a 4-door body for stiffness and welded/filled in the rear doors. He also had the big flares fitted. The base color was white ,I didn't remember the trim colors. Nils Eriksen and I might be in your photos. I doubt it though - a black Fiat 124 spyder- way in the back of the pack. First car on the road was Hourihan/Shepard 142.

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RE: "Post-Creek"

Nope, this one was recycled into a liesure racing machine when I started getting weird with 99's. The two in my garage are a GT-4 Race car (with full cage and nice, but peaky engine and NO ELECTRICS) and a Rally Car (Richard Bunce's if anyone remembers the name) with the 1975 POR sticker still in the trunk....no cage 'tho..just a bar and stock seats, etc.) Theoretically both should run, but I have no empirical proof of that in the last 24 months since I took on this Damned Rally!

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In 1975, Wonder Muffler offered SCCA license holders a $50 voucher
(lots of money in 1975...) towards an exhaust system for their rally car. The voucher could be taken to a Wonder Muffler dealer who would
do the work and get reimbursed by Wonder Muffler.

A Mom & Pop shop in Newton, IL spent many hours building a system for our SAAB 96 by copying our beat-up copy of the factory Group 2 system.
They were fantastic people. They underestimated the difficulty of the
job but refused to charge us for the extra time they spent. The system
was bulletproof, took everything the tough U.P. Michigan roads could dish out at '75 POR, and lasted for years.

Tom Tolles ran second to Zasada at POR in '75 in the white 2dr. 122 Volvo. Guy Light was third. Doris and I started 46th, worked our way up to 4th, 5 seconds behind Guy Light, when we DNF'ed on the
next-to-the-last stage. If only... How many of us have "if only" stories?


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Where have all the Olde Rallye photos gone!

Anybody know where that collection of olde rallye photos went? I'd like to augment *my* collection, which is at www.goo.gl/snKelz You are cordially invited to browse there, and send me photos to add!
Later,
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Hi Folks
Does anyone have image of the Scottish forestry championship 1999 Weldex rally. Interested in any Sierra cosworths with yellow livery. Or if there are any other rallys later in that season with yellow livery.
 
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