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Okay, who has the longest time of continuous competition in performance rally? I competed in my first event in 1981. I think I have managed to run at least one event a year ever since. Of course my memory is fading and I may have missed a year or so in there. And if you add working, I worked my first Big Bend Bash in 1978 and have continued working every year even as a competitor.
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But did he take a sabbatical for a year or so in there? In recent years, he has been organizing so that certainly counts for working. And then he ran the whole rally show for a while too.
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Doug Sheperd probably has been competing the longest uninterupted. I know he started as a codriver in 1973. Most people now know him as a driver.

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Doug was John's co-driver for several years too. I have known both John Buffum and Tom Grimshaw, John's co-driver for a while also, since I started in rally. And again, did Doug take a break for several years?
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Richard asked,
>Okay, who has the longest time of continuous competition in performance rally?

I know it's not me, but I'm definitely in the senior league! I've only had a few years away from rallying since visiting my first event - the 1976 Big Bend Bash. Between that first trip to BBB and the big wreck at STPR 1983 I ran events in ten differrent states under two sanctioning organizations, earned a nickname and surrendered myself to a life-long rally addiction. The years between the divorce and Chrysler's decision to cut CMC Motorsports, Inc. loose at the end of 1987 found me helping at nearby events and Crew Chiefing for two-and-a-half seasons. 1988 & 1989 were chewed up with the Saleen Autosport Race Team, driving an 18-wheeler, moving back to Oklahoma and renewing a college career, but I still managed to attend some nearby stage rallies. My biggest break from rallying occurred thanks to an ignorant attempt to distract myself from rally by tackling six seasons of SCCA and COMMA road racing after finally graduating. I kept an eye on Bens Rally Page throughout so by 1998 the rallytruck & Hallett rallysprints had resurrected my rally career, thankfully! Ya'all likely know 'the rest of the story.'

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One time in the shotgun seat, Sunriser '79 or thereabouts if I recall correctly.

>...And if you add working...

1974-75, 1977 to the present.

Only Bruce Beauvais has a longer stint at POR/LSPR than I do (as far as I know)...he's continuous from at least '74 when it came to the UP. He may be continuous longer than that. Ask him.
 

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All right.....since we're all bragging about how long we've been around, I can't help myself, I have to say my first stage rally was Criterium d' Quebec 1972 as navigator for Jim Eden-Kilgore in a Subaru we built in his dooryard in the four weeks before the rally. Only stage rally Jim ever finished. I then went on to navigate for Steve Dorr, Rich Schnieder, John Ricker, Gary Webb and even an event with Tim O'Neil(probably missed a couple in there). I then drove the in-famous John Deere Quattro for several years with Dan Way and Art Mendolia and John Gauvin and Herb Suessenbach in the right seat. Worked service for Mark Everett and Rich Swenson (and others)a couple of times and have worked every event that was close, press officer for the first World Championship Criterium, Northeast Division Steward in 1988 and 1989, Car 0 for STPR for a lot of years now, course closing in Maine since it started (and tech inspection for the first couple of years until I gave that to Don Taylor), net communications for the first Targa Newfoundland, God, the list is endless! Never a break since that first Subaru in 1972, thank goodness my wife has a sense of humor. Always on the cheap, although it must amount to a couple of $100,000 over 33 years!

The point of all this is that I've never found another motorsport that has the kind of good people that rally has. There simply isn't another adventure in the world that is as much fun as this one is and being with the JB's, John Bellfleurs, the Mark Everetts, and Debbie Seigels and the Don Taylors make it the fun that it is.

Here's to another 20 or so interesting years with rallying!
 

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OK,I'll brag too! My First performance rally was the Tulip 200 in Ohio in 1971. I competed regularly as a driver from then on till 1980. Rallies included the 1972 POR, almost all the Sunrisers and a lot of the Ohio events which would be club rallies now. I also codrove for A J Scmidt on the 1978 Criterium in Canada when we got to compete against the Ford Escort and Fiat 131 factory teams.

Got to run the 1973 Sno*Drift (the first SCCA Pro Rally) and have the dubious distinction of being the first car to roll on STPR in its first year. Got married in December 1980 and haven't been able to compete since. Coincidence?

Have kept in the sport by being a stage captain on at STPR, Sunriser and Snodrift as well as occasional working other events. Trying to find the time and money to get up to Houghton for Lake Superior one year.

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Well I think there are others that go back further, but I co-drove in a Corvair Fitch Sprint in the 1970 Moonlight Monte. I suspect JB was thrashing about Europe about that time. Yes, boys and girls, there was racing on Michigan roads before SCCA's Pro Rally Series. The Monte was a tune up event run a month before POR. I also co-drove for John Smiskol on the same event in 1972...and drove a 510 at POR that year(which I drove to and from the rally even 'tho we rolled on a stage called BGDR...and I KNOW there are prople on here who know what that means). 1972 was the first POR that was observed by the FIA I believe ni anticipation of their 1974 full FIA sanction.

Now, those with bettrer synapses than mine can correct me.

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>...and drove a 510 at POR
>that year(which I drove to and from the rally even 'tho we
>rolled on a stage called BGDR...and I KNOW there are prople
>on here who know what that means). .
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>Kim DeMotte
>Official Old Fart, etc.

BGDR was the stage that sticks most in my mind from the three days of sleep deprivation that was the 1973 POR. We were running Doug Woods' and Randy Blacks' pace notes that year and my wife Sandy got lost in her place on them on that stage. Didn't matter though. The ruts were so bad by our place on the road that when you came to a corner, the 510 was just forced around the corner by the wheel tracks, didn't really have a whole lot of choice (or input) on what line I was interested in taking.

Interestingly, last time I was in that area I made a point of bringing along the route book and notes and went out and drove BGDR. It's now a virtual highway much like most current pro stages.

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Now! Can you explain what BGDR stands for?
My first event was Moonlite Monti '71 and my last event was Moonlite Monti '04.
The answer is.. BGDR stands for "Bumpy God Damn Road"
I have a photo of the highway sign that somebody added the milage to BGDR in racers tape. Sorry I could not get it to go with this.
 

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>BGDR was the stage that sticks most in my mind from the
>three days of sleep deprivation that was the 1973 POR. We
>were running Doug Woods' and Randy Blacks' pace notes that
>year

Kent:

Did I not have something in the notes for BGDR along the lines of "How do the POLSKI FIAT drivers pronounce BGDR"?

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> The answer is.. BGDR stands for "Bumpy God Damn Road"

I got to run over that road as fast sweep one year and in the Omni Uncle Joe and I shared at the 87 Dire Straits Divisional and I was told by some old farts back then that BGDR stood for Big God Dam Ruts - a description that certainly fit from my perspective.

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At that time I was told the "R" stood for "Rocks"....the rest of your title I beleive, is accurate. But Ruts works too! In '72 or '73 I rolled a 510 by climbing the inside ofr a bank and just laid it over in DEEEEEEP sand. After the confusion of dropping to the roof when releasing the harnesses, my co-driver and i could not accurately decide from which direction we had come.....so we fired up TWO flares and ran BOTH directions.....still have the 90 degree bent tie-rod from that fiasco....replaced it while the car was still on it's roof (much esier that way)....drove the car back to Indianapolis where I lived at that time. I guess we've come a long way...but not sure we're having any more fun!

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POR 74

Well, Bruce, Dave Parps, and I went to 74 POR to crew for Steve Troyer and Nils Ericksen in a BMW 2002. I was the only one in the service crew with a valid driver's license.

And, yes, I have been to every POR (um, lspr) (um, Marquette 1000) since then. So that makes Bruce and I tied.

btw - it was instant lust when we pulled into the Marquette Holiday Inn, and there was a Lancia Stratos under the marquee


>>Only Bruce Beauvais has a longer stint at POR/LSPR than I do
>(as far as I know)...he's continuous from at least '74 when
>it came to the UP. He may be continuous longer than that.
>Ask him.

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RE: POR 74

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OK, I'll show you mine. 1973 POR, 3 nights (days too), started on Belle Isle in the middle of the Detroit River-never forget Gene Henderson in one of the thunder Jeeps and Scott Harvey in a Plymouth Duster?! Knew what time it was to the 100th of a second, had no clue what day it was. Got to do start control in Alma, at one of the Total gas fields. Drove up from DC and made the trek every year until '85 when I moved in. Still here and involved, lots of others here and there, but the UP (POR, Marq 100, POR and LSPR) and the divisionals up there are my rally "home". Managed to compete from '86 to '92 or 3, that was a hoot. Anybody want to send me an AORF (Association of Old Rally Farts)card? I'll sign up.

Come on up to the Last Scca Pro Rally (crd to MH and DCoghenour, sp?) aka LSPR-might be a good party excuse-and bring an ORF.

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RE: POR 74

>1973 POR, 3 nights (days too),
>started on Belle Isle in the middle of the Detroit
>River

I seem to recall that event. ;)

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>>1973 POR, 3 nights (days too),
>>started on Belle Isle in the middle of the Detroit
>>River
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>I seem to recall that event. ;)
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>Doug Woods

Yep - it figures you would.

By the way, Jay it was a Dodge Colt.

I should have short films from that and several other PORs of the 70s stashed in my collection somewhere. Should I bring it to Tall Pines? I know you guys recently got electricity up there - even though you call it "Hydro". But do you have V-C-R s?

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