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Jeremy,

We are working on all fronts not just one or the other:
We are working with the College of Criminal Justice, the Civil
Air Patrol, two other colleges and a number of other sources
to recruit new marshals and train marshals.

We will have an all-day training session for marshals
in Monticello, New York on a Saturday in early March. (We have
done this several times before.)

How about if you step forward, recruit some people from the Irish
group who will not be racing (we have not had a single marshal from
your large group for a long time now even though they participated a
few years ago), come to the training in March and tell us
of your expriences. Finally, there was some talk about recruiting
marshals at your school, which is so close to the event - what is
the status of that effort?

Do I have your commitment?

Best regards,

Ivan Orisek
 

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>>how about more focus on trained marshalls and safety on the
>>stages first?
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>Jeremy,
>
>We are working on all fronts not just one or the other:
>We are working with the College of Criminal Justice, the Civil
>
>Air Patrol, two other colleges and a number of other sources
>to recruit new marshals and train marshals.
>
>We will have an all-day training session for marshals
>in Monticello, New York on a Saturday in early March. (We have
>
>done this several times before.)
>
>How about if you step forward, recruit some people from the
>Irish
>group who will not be racing (we have not had a single marshal
>from
>your large group for a long time now even though they
>participated a
>few years ago), come to the training in March and tell us
>of your expriences. Finally, there was some talk about
>recruiting
>marshals at your school, which is so close to the event - what
>is
>the status of that effort?
>
>Do I have your commitment?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Ivan Orisek
>
no ivan no harm intended but many times byself ive ran into situations on stages that should not have happened. Cars on the road turning around and quads. Where i went off in Rally new York at the cutback where there were marshalls no one thought of slowing the car behind me? Before i was competing i was volunteering at rallies and i do think that more irish spectators should be helping out instead of complaining of the problem. The problem with gettin kids from my college is theyve no money cuz its mostly spent on drink. I know your putting alot of effort into the rally effort its just safety is whats first for me. I think your doing a great job ivan and i didnt mean it to offend you,
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Jeremy,

I am pleased that you understand the problems. But I also
think that we need greater cooperation both from competitors
and from knowledgeable spectators / competitors.

>no ivan no harm intended but many times byself ive ran into
>situations on stages that should not have happened. Cars on
>the road turning around and quads.

Many times you say? Sometimes these things sound like folklore.
(We have been using tarmac stages in residential areas in
Narrowsburg for three years and we do not have those problems there.)

This happened in Liberty where we were running for the first time:
We have three police agencies participating. I know that we had
instances where some residents intentionally, not because of lack
of information or notice, tried to disrupt the event. Some people
were apprehended and a vehicle was towed. There was some
misunderstanding on the part of law enforcement as to what extent
we "owned" the road based on the special use road permit issued to
us according to Vehicle & Traffic Law #1182. It has been clarified
now that such actions constitute trespassing. The Town that supports
us is quite embarassed by it. One new thing we are doing is that we
are working with the Town to recruit local residents who suport us
to a great extent to help marshal their roads.

Years ago, SCCA in its great wisdom told us that we could not rally
on these roads in residential areas and wanted to shut us down.
This kind of rallying has been practiced in Europe and elsewhere for
decades. "We do not do this in America - it is too dangerous."
(Never mind what was happening on their wilderness stages with
hunters, snowmobiles and with competitors getting lost and
reentering the stages against rally traffic.)

Over the last five years, we have proven that we can rally safely
on these roads. We are very conscious that these are the problems
we have to deal with if we want to have rallies 90 miles from
New York City, to be able to attract spectators, media and sponsors.

If it is any consolation, notice that these problems exist all over
the world: Just remember what was happening at Monte Carlo last
month with spectators and vehicles. It happened in Canada. You may
remember Sainz dodging horseback riders in Argentina, etc.

>Where i went off in Rally
>new York at the cutback where there were marshalls no one
>thought of slowing the car behind me?

It so happens that I witnessed your accident: When the firemen got
you out of the brush, all the time working off the road, you were
standing in the safety zone off the intersection and that is where
you were supposed to let your codriver get on board. For some
inexplicable reason you moved into the center of the intersection to
do that just when Lilly was approaching. In spite of the heat of
competition, these situations require a lot of care and thinking.

>Before i was competing i
>was volunteering at rallies and i do think that more irish
>spectators should be helping out instead of complaining of the
>problem.

There is more to it though: I had an incident with a group of
Irish spectators, who are also competitors, at the International
Rally New York in September: They want to go wherever they want
to. (I have have been to rallies in Ireland and it is not true
they can do the same at home.) At the Scouts spectator area, I had
to chase a group of them from the restricted area on the outside of
the turn before the competition started to the designated spectator
area behind the fence (everybody could see quite well from
behind the fence). This happened on Friday and it was a group that
previously agreed to help us marshal the stages on Saturday. They
repaid me by refusing to come on Saturday. The upshot is that a few
minutes later, Otis crashed into the same spot where they were
previously standing.

It would be really helpful if your large group could get together
on this and do two things for us:
1. Understand what we are facing when we must assure the safety
of spectators and competitors.
2. Make a commitment to marshal our events. (This brings another
sore point since we are talking: In two separate instances in the
past, we had people from your group who signed up, received and
used hotel rooms, meal tickets and T-shirts like all the marshals,
but never showed up in the assigned positions on stages.)

>The problem with gettin kids from my college is
>theyve no money cuz its mostly spent on drink. I know your
>putting alot of effort into the rally effort its just safety
>is whats first for me. I think your doing a great job ivan and
>i didnt mean it to offend you,

You may be pleased to know that that we had auditors from the
insurance company at our last event. Subsequenly, we received
a thirty pages long evaluation report naturally dealing mostly
with safety. I am happy to report that we received an overall
evaluation "A". In addition, there were some 20 evaluation criteria.
We received an "A" on all of them but one: The only area of
criticism was regarding our evacuation plan in the event of a
terrorist threat. This has been addressed and will be part of the
event safety plan in the future, not only for Rally New York, but
also for all NASA Rally Sport and USRC events that had not already
addressed the issue.

>jeremy
>
>

Ivan Orisek
 

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ivan i agree with you 100% on spectators taking more responsibility. Becoming a volunteer marshall does not even take away from your specating time. As to whoever used the oppurtunity for free rooms and tickets that is totally irresponsible. Maybe a good idea at the next rally is to go around to every competitor asking them to spare someone or ask their friends to help out.
 

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Wow!... and some people accuse me of thread hijacking :)

Jeremy and Ivan go at it... meanwhile....

I think it is cool that Nicky Grist is involved with Rally NY and putting on a co-driver school.

Hopefully Ivan can wrangle Nicky into doing on-camera and voice-over work if there is a TV show. Nicky was the best thing about the WRC TV shows of the past few years.
 

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[He also and still sits alongside the 1996 World Rally Champion Colin McRae, firstly at Subaru then Ford and very recently the Skoda factory team notching up seventeen World Rally Championship victories together.]





For the record Colin McRae was 1995 World Rally Champion
 
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