Speed Factors and Seeds as of the Ojibwe Forests ProRally
are now up on http://www.rally-america.com in the
Rally Information -> Competitor section.
are now up on http://www.rally-america.com in the
Rally Information -> Competitor section.
New Speed Factors and Seeds available
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Thanks, Al! I especially like the way you show the history so people can see how they progressed through the year.
Has Pikes Peak been removed from the calculations again?
Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed 1.
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Has Pikes Peak been removed from the calculations again?
Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed 1.
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[p align=right]John Dillon
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>Thanks, Al! I especially like the way you show the history
>so people can see how they progressed through the year.
>
>Has Pikes Peak been removed from the calculations again?
>
>Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed
>1.
>
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>John @ WidgetRacing.com
>www.WidgetRacing.com
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John - I don't know about Pikes Peak, I just get a list from John McArthur and post it.
Now we need to somehow get a co-drivers seeding list.}>
>so people can see how they progressed through the year.
>
>Has Pikes Peak been removed from the calculations again?
>
>Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed
>1.
>
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>[p align=right]John Dillon
>John @ WidgetRacing.com
>www.WidgetRacing.com
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John - I don't know about Pikes Peak, I just get a list from John McArthur and post it.
Now we need to somehow get a co-drivers seeding list.}>
Al,
Very Nice... I particularly like the FAQ, but you should clarify that the Speedranking only sets the PRELIMINARY start order. The event steward may adjust the start order as he or she sees fit. I believe this is an important point.
J.B. Niday
www.nidayrallysport.com
Very Nice... I particularly like the FAQ, but you should clarify that the Speedranking only sets the PRELIMINARY start order. The event steward may adjust the start order as he or she sees fit. I believe this is an important point.
J.B. Niday
www.nidayrallysport.com
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Why the story changed
>Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed 1.
Okay, so here's the story. Even though
[ul][li]Pikes Peak scored full points in the Open class for drivers and codrivers both
[li]SCCA was encouraging people to enter PP
[li]SCCA sanctioned this event as a ProRally
[li]we paid top dollar for Pikes Peak entry (it's the most expensive RallySprint on the calendar)
[li]We were told personally by KS at Oregon Trail that Pikes Peak results counted for seeding points
[li]The Performance Rally staff recommended that PP points be included in seeding calculations
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KS later changed his mind and decided NOT to use PP results for seeding.
Thus Leon was told at Ojibwe that he's not a Seed 1 driver after all.
>Just curious.... Leon was told at Oregon that he's now Seed 1.
Okay, so here's the story. Even though
[ul][li]Pikes Peak scored full points in the Open class for drivers and codrivers both
[li]SCCA was encouraging people to enter PP
[li]SCCA sanctioned this event as a ProRally
[li]we paid top dollar for Pikes Peak entry (it's the most expensive RallySprint on the calendar)
[li]We were told personally by KS at Oregon Trail that Pikes Peak results counted for seeding points
[li]The Performance Rally staff recommended that PP points be included in seeding calculations
[/ul]
KS later changed his mind and decided NOT to use PP results for seeding.
Thus Leon was told at Ojibwe that he's not a Seed 1 driver after all.
OK,
I usually don't worry about this stuff but safety should be looked after.
What affects the speed factors?
There are people that are slower than me (but haven?t rallied in a year or more and are higher in factor?
What is going on here?
This year has had more than my share DNF?s but that shouldn?t affect my factor in comparison to not competing?should it?
x(
Todd
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I usually don't worry about this stuff but safety should be looked after.
What affects the speed factors?
There are people that are slower than me (but haven?t rallied in a year or more and are higher in factor?
What is going on here?
This year has had more than my share DNF?s but that shouldn?t affect my factor in comparison to not competing?should it?
x(
Todd
#205
The calculation for speed factors is in the rulebook... If you think someone's factor is too high, maybe they got a really good factor at an event you weren't at.
J.B. Niday
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>The calculation for speed factors is in the rulebook... If
>you think someone's factor is too high, maybe they got a
>really good factor at an event you weren't at.
Remember too that there is still a subjective element in the calculations as the FactorMaster has the option of making additional adjustments. Nonetheless the factors are still much better tool than simply seeding.
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>you think someone's factor is too high, maybe they got a
>really good factor at an event you weren't at.
Remember too that there is still a subjective element in the calculations as the FactorMaster has the option of making additional adjustments. Nonetheless the factors are still much better tool than simply seeding.
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I know everyone's gonna think that I'm argueing with John because we're having a feud... but I'm not... really John (really).
BUT...
There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
Sorry, John! (really)
J.B. Niday
www.nidayrallysport.com
BUT...
There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
Sorry, John! (really)
J.B. Niday
www.nidayrallysport.com
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>I know everyone's gonna think that I'm argueing with John
>because we're having a feud... but I'm not... really John
>(really).
I know we're not arguing and definitely not feudin'. We're discussing ideas in public, in keeping with the whole "we need to improve communication" thing as defined by Steve J lo those many years ago.
I happen to like J.B. and am glad he's on the prboard, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on every issue. We each have our own perspectives we bring to the table. For example he sees trees, we see exposure (it's a geography joke from the time I hitched a ride with him to Headwaters.)
>There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB
>voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these
>purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has
>done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
That's wonderful news.... Glad to hear it!
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>because we're having a feud... but I'm not... really John
>(really).
I know we're not arguing and definitely not feudin'. We're discussing ideas in public, in keeping with the whole "we need to improve communication" thing as defined by Steve J lo those many years ago.
I happen to like J.B. and am glad he's on the prboard, even if we don't see eye-to-eye on every issue. We each have our own perspectives we bring to the table. For example he sees trees, we see exposure (it's a geography joke from the time I hitched a ride with him to Headwaters.)
>There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB
>voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these
>purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has
>done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
That's wonderful news.... Glad to hear it!
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>I know everyone's gonna think that I'm argueing with John
>because we're having a feud... but I'm not... really John
>(really).
>
>BUT...
>
>There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB
>voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these
>purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has
>done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
>
>Sorry, John! (really)
>
>J.B. Niday
>www.nidayrallysport.com
Which brings us back to the exact formula I proposed in 1997... See, some of my ideas actually have merit.
>because we're having a feud... but I'm not... really John
>(really).
>
>BUT...
>
>There WAS a spot of truth to John's statement, but the PRB
>voted (last week) to remove any subjectiveness from these
>purely objective calculations... which John McArthur has
>done (or will before Wild West... retroactively).
>
>Sorry, John! (really)
>
>J.B. Niday
>www.nidayrallysport.com
Which brings us back to the exact formula I proposed in 1997... See, some of my ideas actually have merit.
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I actually have a question about 2.2.b.3.a. It says:
"However, an aging factor will be applied to the SpeedFactor at a rate of 0.02 for each half season that is out of date."
Does this mean subtracting 0.02 or multiplying by 0.98? I'm guessing the former but I don't think that the rule is super clear. (Note, for instance, the missing "it" before "is").
Something like "Every July 31 and December 31, competitors who have not competed in the past six months will have 0.02 subtracted from their SpeedFactor." would be more clear to me.
Anders
"However, an aging factor will be applied to the SpeedFactor at a rate of 0.02 for each half season that is out of date."
Does this mean subtracting 0.02 or multiplying by 0.98? I'm guessing the former but I don't think that the rule is super clear. (Note, for instance, the missing "it" before "is").
Something like "Every July 31 and December 31, competitors who have not competed in the past six months will have 0.02 subtracted from their SpeedFactor." would be more clear to me.
Anders
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