[Team_Harco]

What was unique about the vehicle that won the FIA rally in the U.S. in 1972?

What rules change did it drive?

When did the rules change it drove get repealed? (I must admit, I don't know the answer to this for certain). Adrian...?

Scott
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"Win on Sunday, Sleep on Monday"

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

That is pretty easy, actually. I'll leave the first parts to someone else, but I'll take a guess at the last part - 1979?

ACP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

 

[Trevor Donison]

>
>That is pretty easy, actually. I'll leave the first parts to
>someone else, but I'll take a guess at the last part - 1979?
>
>ACP
>Flirting with the laws of physics.

I think is was probably 82 or 83, the first quattro that Buffum ran. in 79 they were still running rwd TR7 and RX7.

 

[jeffy]

Never pass up a "gimmie"
1. "Moby Dick" was 4wd
2. the banning of (4wd)
3. I would guess 1981 (the the Quattro began the WRC events?)
(- even if we did not get the car until 1982).

ALSO (I do not know the answer, but Scott should) what was the name given to the other Jeep Wagoneer?

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>3. I would guess 1981 (the the Quattro began the WRC
>events?)

I think it was before that (ACP's 1979 sounds about right), since a pair of Dodge Ramchargers ran the Safari in the late 70s (maybe 1979?). It was the relaxation of the rules that allowed/convinced Audi to develop the Quattro rally car, so the rule change had to happen some time before the car hit the stages.

Adrian

 

[rallydave]

>Never pass up a "gimmie"
>1. "Moby Dick" was 4wd
>2. the banning of (4wd)
>3. I would guess 1981 (the the Quattro began the WRC
>events?)
>(- even if we did not get the car until 1982).
>
>ALSO (I do not know the answer, but Scott should) what was
>the name given to the other Jeep Wagoneer?


Believe they were named Moby Dick I for Gene Henderson and Moby Dick II for Erhardt Damn.


David Weiman
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[Team_Harco]

>>3. I would guess 1981 (the the Quattro began the WRC
>>events?)
>
>I think it was before that (ACP's 1979 sounds about right),
>since a pair of Dodge Ramchargers ran the Safari in the late
>70s (maybe 1979?). It was the relaxation of the rules that
>allowed/convinced Audi to develop the Quattro rally car, so
>the rule change had to happen some time before the car hit
>the stages.
>
>Adrian

I'm thinking either '77 or '78. It may be that the PRO Rally rule changed before FIA - as my dad ran a Ramcharger ("Rhino") in '77 (and maybe as early as '76). He then created a purpose built 4x4 car (Aspen, named "Cheetah") to further take advantage of the relaxation of the 4WD rule. This car was not ready until 1978.

Again, I don't know when FIA changed, but as has been mentioned Audi jumped in to "turn the racing world up-side down".

Scott
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Team Harco Motorsports
"Win on Sunday, Sleep on Monday"

 

[Adrian Wintle]

Interestingly, the FIA's historical list of homologated vehicles shows the following:

Gp2 #1650 Jeep Wagoneer 14 Quadra Trac 1/4/1973
Gp2 #1712 Dodge Ramcharger AW - 150 1/3/1981

So, it appears that the Jeep wasn't homologated when it won in 1972. It also that means that I may be wrong on the date for the Ramcharger participation in the Safari.

(EDIT)
I checked, and the Ramchargers participated in 1981 coming 9th and 10th. http://www.worldrallying.info/results/world/1981/safari.shtml

This means the rules probably changed in 1979-1980.

Adrian

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

Yeah - I said 1979 because the Quattro was a reaction to the change in the rules and it took a little while to develop. Also 1979 sticks in my head from one of the books. I'm sure Rally or Rally Cars has it.

ACP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

PS - I also believe that Brian Culcheth was on the 1974 and 1977 marathons with a desrt-racer CJ7....

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>
>Yeah - I said 1979 because the Quattro was a reaction to the
>change in the rules and it took a little while to develop.
>Also 1979 sticks in my head from one of the books. I'm sure
>Rally or Rally Cars has it.
>
>ACP
>Flirting with the laws of physics.
>
>PS - I also believe that Brian Culcheth was on the 1974 and
>1977 marathons with a desrt-racer CJ7....

Yes. They didn't require homologated vehicles so there were a number of Jeeps/Range Rovers etc. Evan Green drove a Range Rover on the 1977 marathon.

BTW. Do you have The Long Drive (by John Stathatos) about the 1977 London-Sydney?

Adrian

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

>
>BTW. Do you have The Long Drive (by John Stathatos) about
>the 1977 London-Sydney?
>
>Adrian

Ummmmm. I'm thinking, I'm thinking....I don't think so. Do you? If so, could you bring it to Galway this weekend?

Best, ACP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>>
>>BTW. Do you have The Long Drive (by John Stathatos) about
>>the 1977 London-Sydney?
>
>Ummmmm. I'm thinking, I'm thinking....I don't think so. Do
>you? If so, could you bring it to Galway this weekend?

Will do. It is an interesting tale, although not as well written as A Boot Full of Right Arms.

Adrian

 

[Andrew Comrie Picard]

>Will do. It is an interesting tale, although not as well
>written as A Boot Full of Right Arms.
>
>Adrian


Which is hilarious and vivid. Any you're missing?

ACP
Flirting with the laws of physics.

 

[Adrian Wintle]

>
>>Will do. It is an interesting tale, although not as well
>>written as A Boot Full of Right Arms.
>>
>>Adrian
>
>
>Which is hilarious and vivid. Any you're missing?

I don't know. I've read a number of the various marathon books, but the only ones I own are the two I've already mentioned. I did like a book I borrowed from Keith Hendy called Bright Eyes of Danger (its an Aussie book).

Adrian

 

[Eric_Anderson]

>("Rhino") in '77 (and maybe as early as '76).




Scott,

Your dad's RAM was earlier than that.

Here's a pix of the start at the 1974 or 75 Happiness Is Sunrise rally.

http://www.rallyalmanac.com/item.asp?recordid=harvey4&pagestyle=default

Here's a pix of from Fred's Stage at the 1974 Sunriser.

http://www.rallyalmanac.com/item.asp?recordid=harvey&pagestyle=default

If memory serves, I think this was the first event for the RAM... (It may have been been at Big Bend Bash a month or so earlier, so I'm not 100 percent that Sunriser was its first rally....