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The Monte Carlo Historic Rally starts in a few days. There are 352 entries and the list of competing rally cars is just incredible.

Last year, John Buffum and Ralph Beckman came second overall in a Porsche 911.

They are back this year in Ralph's 1967 Plymouth Baraccuda.

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I was wondering if anyone else was watching the ACM's website...

:D

The really amazing thing about the entry list is the variety of cars entered. You don't have to have a Stratos to claim a start number. A mid-seventies Toyota Celica GT, VW Beetle, Honda Civic, Fiat 128, even (shudder) a pre-'67 Chevy Impala might be allowed an entry. Remember that this is Automobile Club of Monaco we are talking about! The same club that runs an F1 event, not to mention a rather famous round of the World Rally Championship. I wouldn't presume them to be the most democratic of institutions. The wide-ranging eligibility list seems to argue against this. The club seems to want the widest variety of cars possible to participate. Bravo to them for it I say.

In a small bit of shameless self-promotion, WCRA's Thunderbird Rally has a historic class. Anyone who missed the ACM's entry deadline is welcome to come play in the snow over the best snow-covered gravel TSD stages in British Columbia

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>And 22 Alpine A110's! You'd think they were growing on
>trees...
And the so called "real" WRC had total 32 entries was it?





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Yes, it's easy to believe there are more Alpine A110s now than were ever built at the original Dieppe factory. Same situation with the Lancia Stratos now that I think about it. Just another testament to the appeal of the classic era of rallying. These new wave disco-style short distance banker's hours media whoring entry limiting spirit crushing WRC events don't do it for me. Your views may vary but unless you are making money off the WRC I doubt it. Bring back real rallying to the world championship! Someone tell the manufacturers their victories will mean more.

Tony Latham
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>These new wave disco-style short distance banker's
>hours media whoring entry limiting spirit crushing WRC events
>don't do it for me.

Tony:

I get the feeling that you are less than enthusiastic about the current WRC. ;-)

I must say that I completely agree with you.

For those that do not understand why we find it increasingly uninteresting, I suggest that they watch the Evolution of Rallying DVD.

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>>These new wave disco-style short distance banker's
>>hours media whoring entry limiting spirit crushing WRC
>events
>>don't do it for me.
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>Tony:
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>I get the feeling that you are less than enthusiastic about
>the current WRC. ;-)
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>I must say that I completely agree with you.
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>For those that do not understand why we find it increasingly
>uninteresting, I suggest that they watch the Evolution of
>Rallying DVD.
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>Doug Woods
And he was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo restained, and polite too.
Tavarich Tony!
I put some sills in the mighty Saab and we go vroooom vroooom, eh!
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John Vanlandingham
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It also goes to show that rally is a participant sport, (maybe the WRC is missing something when it comes to marketing) to participate one must consume a product or many products.

Historic rally is popular because the products are fun to drive, are designed to be worked on and the parts to upgrade the cars available due to homolagation of cars and parts in large quantities.
 

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Here is an update after the first day of the rally, with four stages having been held.

John Buffum and Ralph Beckman had a poor first stage (139th). On stage two they came 16th. Then, they won the third stage and came 6th on the fourth stage.

They are now in 30th overall with 440 seconds penalty compared to the leaders at 137. They lost 372 of their 440 seconds on the first stage.

Hopefully, we will have some pictures soon showing John throwing that 1967 Plymouth Barracuda around the tight Monte roads. I wonder what the Europeans think. :)

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>They are now in 30th overall with 440 seconds penalty compared
>to the leaders at 137. They lost 372 of their 440 seconds on
>the first stage.

Update - the first stage penalties for Buffum/Beckman have now been changed from 372 to 36 seconds.

Today's stages - they were 25th on stage 5, 44th on stage 6 and 2nd on stage 7. They are now fourth overall after seven stages, 93 seconds behind the leaders. There are 304 cars still running.

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"I wonder what the Europeans think".

- They think: "It's about time Americans to run Barracudas after 40 years after Finns, Swedes and Brits started to rally them."

- Europeans run all American cars at M.C. before Yankees woke up....

- I hope to see Buffum in action! Maybe OLN will show some ??
 

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End of day update - after 8 stages, John and Ralph are third overall.

Question - am I the only person on SpecialStage interested in this?

This is a truly remarkable performance, in a monster of a car.

I know that some of you out there realize who John Buffum is (at least I think you do, not too sure anymore). Most have no idea who Ralph Beckman is.

Ralph co-drove for Scott Harvery when they won the 1968 Shell 4000 Rally, in Scott's Plymouth Barracuda. This car is a replica of that winning car.

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>Question - am I the only person on SpecialStage interested in
>this?
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No, not by a long shot, Doug. A group of us were telling Buffum stories late Saturday night after the SnoDrift party.

Any idea why the results were changed on #1. Did you notice if they changed for the entire field or just selectively? It looks like JB may have his hands full with trying to move up further past the Fulvia and the Volvo though. They seem to be pretty well his match.

Thanks for making us aware of the historic MC site.

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No Doug!
Some of us think this shows that Buffum is STILL the fastest and the the BEST and the only "United States-ian" that has any balls at all in this sport.

How many entries?






John Vanlandingham
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The regs indicate that there are two different sets of target speeds from which you can select. Anyone need to question as to whether John and Ralph chose the faster or slower speeds? Target speeds do not necessarily equate to attainable speeds. Scoring is a point per 1/10th of a second. JB got 197 points on one of the legs and Ralph is a plenty good enough navigator that those wouldn't be early points.

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>Isn't the Historic Monte Carlo a TSD? They are not running
>flat out, so how is that so exciting?

Morgan:

Yes, it is a TSD event. But, as John told me, the set speeds are essentially impossible, so in the end it is more or less what performance rallying used to be in North America, before the use of special stages - the driver drives as fast as he can and the co-driver tells him how late he is. ;-)

It is my understanding that the stages are the same as those traditionally used on the WRC Monte Carlo Rally. If you recall some of the shots from this year's Monte coverage with Loeb handbraking his way around endless hairpins, then you might get an appreciation of what John is up against trying to wheel the big Barracuda through the stages against various Stratos, Alpines, Escorts, etc.

If you look at the entry list, there are many drivers competing who have won WRC events.

Doug Woods
 
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