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How was your wear? How many tires did you use? When you say you will run these tires again, are you speaking brand new or the exact same tires? Thanks!


Hi Everyone!

I finally got the chance to try out the Maxxis R19 rally tire at Oregon Trail Rally and all I can say is WOW! I am a racer on a budget so we ran on them without any prior testing and they proved to be amazing on all grip factors. They had excellent braking grip going into the high speed chicanes on Saturday's stages and the lateral grip on Sunday on the tight stages was stellar as well. We were running the 205 hard compound and had excellent results. The tires wore really well throughout the whole event and we will run these tires again going into Olympus in two weeks as a national entry. This was only my fourth gravel rally and the Maxxis R19 gave me the confidence not only to win both days Regionals, but to place third overall on the National/Regional combined results. We were running hot temp pressures at 28psi and the tires always had great grip and excellent feedback. Not only are the tires great but their service is as well, I ordered an extra pair on Thursday before the event and they showed up Tuesday morning, only three days later. OTR had many competitors running Maxxis tires and from what I heard the Maxxis performed well for everyone.

Jeff Seehorn
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Jeff, you ran a HARD compound?

If so, that is impressive. My understanding is that going to a soft compound is worth close to a sec/mile if the individual knows how to drive (which it seems you do, and is a pretty ringing endorsement of the Maxxis tire IMO).

How was the wear and tear on the Maxxis? Will you be running the ones you used at Oregon again at Olympus, or just keep them as spares?
 

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YES we were on a hard compound! They felt really good on both swept and unswept roads. On sunday's second passes through the stages a soft compound would have been better but these felt great on the hard pack and wore great. The last three stages were 4th fastest on SS16, 3rd Fastest on SS17, and 2nd Fastest on SS18. On SS18 we beat Yeoman by 2 seconds! They really had good traction on the hard pack even with the hard which is more of a medium compound.

We only used one complete set and had taken 6 to the event, all hard compound. On summit II I think I burped a right front on a hard left where the pavement ended into gravel and the tire was 8 psi low before the control, so we swapped in the spare then paired it with the another new going into SS11 and 12. The tire is still holding, so it wasn't a puncture. The tread is wore down maybe 20% on four of them and the edges are rounded a bit, but I think we will use them up on the hard pack stages at Olympus after they become swept. I am going to start Olympus off on a new set of 4 hards and see how long they go. We still have 2 that look really good and will use those at Olympus as well. I really want to test the softs, but on our budget we are going for longevity and Olympus will be much harder on tires from what we learned last year.
 

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If I were going to run Chinese tires, I'd run Dmack's and buying those at least supports a US rally company.

Maxxis won't sell to US rally shops/dealers last I checked. Do they have a contingency program?
 

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Maxxis supports the rally community by selling directly to the racer. This strategy allows Maxxis to provide low pricing, and to manage inventory so that racers will have access to the tires they need. We offer FREE shipping on the R19 tire, sold directly through our eStore. Neither a retread nor a recap, the R19 is designed to attack even the toughest rally stages. From extensive feedback and from back-to-back testing against other top brands, we know that the R19 delivers the performance you need
 

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Is Maxxis planning any type of contingency program?
Are you planning to attend any events to promote or provide service to your customers?
Rally companies appear and disappear regularly so maybe direct to customer is the format we should have anyhow.

Side note: I hunted down one of my cage customers at his first event, Rally Idaho to see how his day was going. He said it felt really squirrelly and loose but he was having fun. Asked what pressures he was running. 35 psi. Gave him some suggestions and he had much better results from then on. You would be surprised how many times I've seen new people start out and even do an entire event with way too much pressure because no one told them otherwise.
 

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Is Maxxis planning any type of contingency program?
Are you planning to attend any events to promote or provide service to your customers?
Rally companies appear and disappear regularly so maybe direct to customer is the format we should have anyhow.

Side note: I hunted down one of my cage customers at his first event, Rally Idaho to see how his day was going. He said it felt really squirrelly and loose but he was having fun. Asked what pressures he was running. 35 psi. Gave him some suggestions and he had much better results from then on. You would be surprised how many times I've seen new people start out and even do an entire event with way too much pressure because no one told them otherwise.
I get where you are going with this. But its tires man.

there's really only what 5 brands in the US? BFG (or are they done?) Maxxis, DMack, Pireli , Yokohamas , oh and black rockets,

And there's gonna be the fastest tire money can buy (BFG) and the rest in descending order... (not exactly sure what that is )

Maxxis, Pireli , Dmack, Yoko ?? competitors (should anyways) look at the tires as what's the best i can afford ? and pick accordingly . Hey if i had the choice of which tire to buy from which vendor that would be great. i would always buy the fastest tire i could afford from the Rally shop that was closet to me.

Guy Light, or Grants, or from Justin Carver again, but now i want to try out Maxxis tires.. its not like he can supply those all of a sudden.

I'm not very happy with Dmack tires. i found the Mediums to be very greasy and lack "feel / grip level communication" . I set better times than with Silverstones, but had a very hard time judging grip level. i think the Hard compound would have solved that (event temps was 105 F Air and hotter 'track' temp) but again, Justin can't really order a whole pallet of Hards in 1 size because i want to try 4 of them...

and i can't really be expected to pass up a better for my situation product, just to keep my business with a rally person.

I'll pay an extra 5$ or 10$ over summit racing (which is only 10 minutes away from me) to do business with a rally person.

But i won't buy a worse product for my need, Just to do business with a rally person, nor should anyone else really.
 

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there's really only what 5 brands in the US? BFG (or are they done?) Maxxis, DMack, Pireli , Yokohamas , oh and black rockets,
And there's gonna be the fastest tire money can buy (BFG) and the rest in descending order... (not exactly sure what that is )
Maxxis, Pireli , Dmack, Yoko ?? competitors (should anyways) look at the tires as what's the best i can afford ? and pick accordingly . Hey if i had the choice of which tire to buy from which vendor that would be great. i would always buy the fastest tire i could afford from the Rally shop that was closet to me.
and i can't really be expected to pass up a better for my situation product, just to keep my business with a rally person.
I'll pay an extra 5$ or 10$ over summit racing (which is only 10 minutes away from me) to do business with a rally person.
But i won't buy a worse product for my need, Just to do business with a rally person, nor should anyone else really.
You figure around 350 unique people entering 2.2 events per year is about average is around 800 entries per year. If we subtract out the top teams that will import BFG's at any price, the lower teams that will never buy a new tire at any price, we are left with a potential market of probably 400-600 tires. Spread that between Pirelli, Yokohama, Dmack, Black Rocket, and Maxxis and that's not very many tires. That's why the longest brands to stick around have always been imported/run as a side business driven by passion by a rallyist.
 

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Maxxis supports the rally community by selling directly to the racer. This strategy allows Maxxis to provide low pricing
I just wanted to point out, that even with the shipping charge, it's cheaper to buy these tires from Demon Tweeks. I bet if you did a big group buy, they'd be considerably cheaper.
 

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Good job to Josh Jacquot for winning High Desert Trails Rally overall on Maxxis tires this weekend.

You should probably pay this photog a few grand and buy this photo and make Maxxis posters to give away at events.

 

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I just wanted to point out, that even with the shipping charge, it's cheaper to buy these tires from Demon Tweeks. I bet if you did a big group buy, they'd be considerably cheaper.
To be fair, that's soley because of the very strong dollar right now. I did try and inquire about a large pallet full, and picking up from a warehouse to reduce shipping costs, no response.
 

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Hey - just want to weigh in here. I'm impressed with Maxxis' efforts. The execs came to several rallies and decided to bring the tires in and sell direct. That's a lot of research and commitment. I know James Robinson and Evan Cline tested them a lot and had good experiences - both those guys have run on a lot of brands and know the differences.

I'm a BFG man through and through, but I'm giving Maxxis an "A" for getting into the market. They should be supported.

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One thing I'd also like to point out again is how great the service and availability is. I tried getting tires last year from a supplier and they only had one set left in a 215 soft. Not sure what the deal is now, but I think I checked again Late last year and same same. Not to mention that after shipping they were like $20 more per tire.

I'm a small business manager as well, but when you have to call several places and make sure they can get product shipped to you, it's a hassle. Maxxis is hassle-free buying.

Maxxis are available and they ship really quick at a great price.
 

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I apologize to Maxxis for hijacking this tread but my company and name were mentioned several times so I figured I should respond.

I just wanted to shed a bit of light on the difference between an independent importer and a larger scale manufacturer to give some perspective and perhaps respond to some of the critiques directed at myself and Dmack in this tread.

As an independent importer and distributor for Dmack tires, I am responsible for purchasing entire containers of tires up front, often months in advance of delivery. Without the benefit of credit terms or direct manufacturer warehousing or marketing support it is difficult to support a niche market like rally in the US especially with a capitol heavy product line.

I sell directly to competitors which enables me to offer a good wholesale price which is very competitive with other offerings even with shipping added on. It is not possible to maintain every size and compound throughout the season since there is a 20' minimum container ordering requirement (400+ tires) and only certain sizes and compounds are available for shipping at any particular time.

I do my best to stock the most popular tire sizes as well as a variety of less common sizes for the folks who need them. This is challenging as often it means ending the season with $10K-20K of inventory on the shelf while at the same time having to come up with 3 times that for the next stock order.

Competitors have a number of choices in the market place and a variety of reasons to select one over the other. As with any brand, not everyone will prefer Dmack, however they are widely and successfully used internationally and by some of the top teams in the US (including Subaru Rally USA). I appreciate all of those who choose to support me through Dmack Tyres USA. I have invested heavily to provide an option in this market and try my best to respond promptly to inquiries and ship quickly. The small marketing budget I have has been focused on prize funds for regional grassroots competitors. I believe that the vast majority of my customers are satisfied with the product and support and hope this continues to be the case.

See you all out on the stages!

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Yeah - let me also state my support for the Justins (DMack), Doug Nagys (Pirelli), Tabors (Silverstone), and for that matter Chad and JBs (BFG, until 2015) and others. It's a tough, tough business - I can't imagine anyone makes much money at it. Really they're all supporting the sport. Be sports and support them.

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