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lists LSPR as
"SCCA Pro Rally: D&N Bank Lake Superior Rally", Episode #7010.
From Houghton, Mich.
I don't recall seeing any D&N stuff at LSPR this year.... did they shift their dough to the TV show?
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[p align=right]John Dillon
e-mail: chairman @ wsrally.org
Web: http://www.wsrally.org
lists LSPR as
"SCCA Pro Rally: D&N Bank Lake Superior Rally", Episode #7010.
From Houghton, Mich.
I don't recall seeing any D&N stuff at LSPR this year.... did they shift their dough to the TV show?
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[p align=right]John Dillon
e-mail: chairman @ wsrally.org
Web: http://www.wsrally.org
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Great show, I saw a lot of things I liked. Very good footage, lots of exciting shots, and the interviews were kept short enough that they didn't slow the pace of the show. Nice coverage of the "other" classes at the end, too.
But I have one big gripe: why, on Brockway Mountain, only show a few of the privateers jumping? They showed all the manufacturer teams catching some pretty tiny air when there were privateers flying over two feet high. Should've lost the dumb Subaru Baja commercial in there and showed the _good_ jumps. A big disappointment compared to last year's coverage. And there's no excuse: this is just selling out to the manufacturers, when there's exciting footage on tape and it gets left on the cutting room floor because of who's paying for the show.
Check out http://www.rocketvideoproductions.com/rally.html for all the good jumps. And no, I'm not counting myself; but there were many cars (Havir, Harvey, Sherill, Niday...) that blew away the factory teams on the jump and should've been shown.
But I have one big gripe: why, on Brockway Mountain, only show a few of the privateers jumping? They showed all the manufacturer teams catching some pretty tiny air when there were privateers flying over two feet high. Should've lost the dumb Subaru Baja commercial in there and showed the _good_ jumps. A big disappointment compared to last year's coverage. And there's no excuse: this is just selling out to the manufacturers, when there's exciting footage on tape and it gets left on the cutting room floor because of who's paying for the show.
Check out http://www.rocketvideoproductions.com/rally.html for all the good jumps. And no, I'm not counting myself; but there were many cars (Havir, Harvey, Sherill, Niday...) that blew away the factory teams on the jump and should've been shown.
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>>_good_ jumps. A big disappointment compared to last year's
>coverage. And there's no excuse: this is just selling out
>to the manufacturers, when there's exciting footage on tape
>and it gets left on the cutting room floor because of who's
>paying for the show.
>
It may not even be on the cutting room floor. Sometimes they don't stick around after the first 10 or so cars.
>coverage. And there's no excuse: this is just selling out
>to the manufacturers, when there's exciting footage on tape
>and it gets left on the cutting room floor because of who's
>paying for the show.
>
It may not even be on the cutting room floor. Sometimes they don't stick around after the first 10 or so cars.
>It may not even be on the cutting room floor. Sometimes they
>don't stick around after the first 10 or so cars.
normally i'd agree, but the press at the top of the jump got to stay (or more appropriately, forced to stay) until sweep arrived.
i must say i'm glad they at least got the death of the video camera footage on air (for those that didn't know, that blue neon killed someone's camera off the jump)
>don't stick around after the first 10 or so cars.
normally i'd agree, but the press at the top of the jump got to stay (or more appropriately, forced to stay) until sweep arrived.
i must say i'm glad they at least got the death of the video camera footage on air (for those that didn't know, that blue neon killed someone's camera off the jump)
Man, the weather looked cold and crappy! 
I consoled myself by remembering that us PNW folks ran a performance event around Mt. Hood that same weekend, with GORGEOUS weather (low 70's and bright sunshine) and FANTASTIC scenery: it's hard to concentrate of driving when you come around a corner and are confronted with Mt. Hood, large as life, right in front of you!
Still, Brockway looked like fun. Where did all the people go? And I agree: the manufacturer's entries caught wimpy air; the few true privateers they showed were catching some good air, and were putting on the true show for the folks watching!
KT
I consoled myself by remembering that us PNW folks ran a performance event around Mt. Hood that same weekend, with GORGEOUS weather (low 70's and bright sunshine) and FANTASTIC scenery: it's hard to concentrate of driving when you come around a corner and are confronted with Mt. Hood, large as life, right in front of you! Still, Brockway looked like fun. Where did all the people go? And I agree: the manufacturer's entries caught wimpy air; the few true privateers they showed were catching some good air, and were putting on the true show for the folks watching!
KT
I thought the coverage was very good. Yeah, they could have shown more air on Brockaway, but all in all their choice of camera location throughout the event was excellent. Nice sweeping S turns make everyone look nice and fast!
As for the Baja infomercial....well, I think that was quite unfortunate. I wonder, though. If I lend Doug my Audi wagon for an event will rally dirt do a nice segment praising the fine corinthian leather and cargo space? Last year we had the Hyundai SUV, this year the Baja. What's next?
As for the Baja infomercial....well, I think that was quite unfortunate. I wonder, though. If I lend Doug my Audi wagon for an event will rally dirt do a nice segment praising the fine corinthian leather and cargo space? Last year we had the Hyundai SUV, this year the Baja. What's next?
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·> Last year we had the Hyundai SUV, this year
> the Baja. What's next?
Next year should be Mitsubishi's turn...
> the Baja. What's next?
Next year should be Mitsubishi's turn...
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·Oo, many choices! Could be the Montero, but probably not, as by this time next year it's replacement should be out, the Endeavor.
But my guess is it'd be the Outlander, their new Lancer-based SUV...
But my guess is it'd be the Outlander, their new Lancer-based SUV...
Overall, it was a good show. It has been discussed in the past that a conflict of interest exists by having the manufacturers pay for the coverage. Still, I also found the Subaru infomercial disappointing. When Audi or Mazda pay World Challenge coverage, you don't see them take a break from the action to insert a commercial in the show to promote street cars...it is a bit more subtle. I feel this kind of infomercial causes the show lose all credibility as a race report. Truth is, without manufacturers money, the show doesn't happen. I just wish they were more responsible.
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I just watched it. I'll admit I drive several Subarus, but you guys are bitching about that infomerical x( I expected to see 2 minutes but it was all of what, 20 seconds. Subaru does put alot of money into the show after all Good show over all, just not enough of the backmarkers as usual.
Good show over all, just not enough of the backmarkers as usual.Don, 20 seconds on a 30 minute show is a lot of time. Showing an infomercial like that goes to the perceived integrity of the coverage.
Yes, I know that Subaru, Mitsubishi and Hyundai pay for the coverage. Yes, I appreciate their financial committment to the coverage.
But, that 20 second spot had little to do about rally, except showing the camera crew. It did nothing to enhance the rally coverage. And I'm going out on a limb here, but it did nothing to enhance Subaru's image with the rally community.
They could have spent those 20 seconds showing all Subaru rally cars. IMHO, that would have resulted in a better return on their investment because most people see those infomercials as pathetic and arrogant.
Yes, I know that Subaru, Mitsubishi and Hyundai pay for the coverage. Yes, I appreciate their financial committment to the coverage.
But, that 20 second spot had little to do about rally, except showing the camera crew. It did nothing to enhance the rally coverage. And I'm going out on a limb here, but it did nothing to enhance Subaru's image with the rally community.
They could have spent those 20 seconds showing all Subaru rally cars. IMHO, that would have resulted in a better return on their investment because most people see those infomercials as pathetic and arrogant.
Didn't they say that Subaru provided them with the Baja for the weekend? If Subaru gave me a Baja for a rally weekend I would do the same thing, although I'd probably make snide remarks on the side.
I imagine that next year Hyundai will kick in a Santa Fe for an event, Mitsubishi will offer up a Montero, and Doug Plummer will drive all of them off the road and then tear off the bumper backing out.
Um... nevermind.
I imagine that next year Hyundai will kick in a Santa Fe for an event, Mitsubishi will offer up a Montero, and Doug Plummer will drive all of them off the road and then tear off the bumper backing out.
Um... nevermind.
>Didn't they say that Subaru provided them with the Baja for
>the weekend? If Subaru gave me a Baja for a rally weekend I
>would do the same thing, although I'd probably make snide
>remarks on the side.
>
>I imagine that next year Hyundai will kick in a Santa Fe for
>an event, Mitsubishi will offer up a Montero, and Doug
>Plummer will drive all of them off the road and then tear
>off the bumper backing out.
>
>Um... nevermind.
Ouch!!!
I don't recall seeing the Baja at Lake Superior it was at Wild West. It likely didn't say which weekend it was provided for
>the weekend? If Subaru gave me a Baja for a rally weekend I
>would do the same thing, although I'd probably make snide
>remarks on the side.
>
>I imagine that next year Hyundai will kick in a Santa Fe for
>an event, Mitsubishi will offer up a Montero, and Doug
>Plummer will drive all of them off the road and then tear
>off the bumper backing out.
>
>Um... nevermind.
Ouch!!!
I don't recall seeing the Baja at Lake Superior it was at Wild West. It likely didn't say which weekend it was provided for
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