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the thing is the cost to enter would be so high and most teams here would not even be eleigable to enter. yes it would be cool im sure. but what would you do in this situation:

enter one event or enter several events for the same amount of money.

just a thought.

me i would choose entering several events and go watch the WRC event since the real appeal is seeing those 10-20 top level cars and drivers screaming through the forest. not getting my butt handed to me by a good 20-30 minutes.

your other thread got seriously derailed by someone slamming everyone that competes in north america. thats what happened there.
 

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>the thing is the cost to enter would be so high and most
>teams here would not even be eleigable to enter.

Only GN cars could enter. Open, G2, G5, P, PGT are all ineligible unless they also adhere to an FIA spec.

Very few of us would be able to run. Just like Mexico...The rally started as a Mexican National, then became FIA listed and allowed FIA classes, then when it got WRC status, the Mexican National classes were dropped. In other words, the folks who helped build that event were forgotten when the circus came to town.

WRC would be neat to see, but I'd rather see our own series(s..multiple) grow and help us, not corporations who care little about american rallying.

I'll travel elsewhere to watch a WRC. I don't want to watch a rally that I used to be able to run.
 

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I'd rather the WRC stay in Mexico, a much more exotic location and makes for a great vacation.

the locations that would likely be available to a WRC are boring here in the States.

The only good thing I can see about having a WRC here would be that it might increase public awareness of the sport if any major news broadcasts covered it, which would be doubtful
 

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IT would cost about $20 millon dollars to put on a WRC event here in the USA. You would need a major corporation to help flip the bill or a Mr. Gates to donate some monies. Mexico's bill was almost that amount.

If you had a big time sponsor to take on those expenditures and have the roads...then you might be able to do it again here.

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Some people want it... others don't... both are passionate.

I don't want it because it would benefit only the promoter. SCCA Club members would not benefit, except that we'd all be invited to work the event on our own dime, making it a better event and saving the promotor money.

People will tell you a WRC event will generate buzz and increase awareness of rally which will trick down to the National championship and ClubRally as well. I can't make that connection. I expect that it would be an event, or rather a spectacle, unto itself. When the circus packs up and moves on the masses would move on to the next big thing rather than ask where the next rally is... and even then they'd be asking, "Where's the big guns I saw at the WRC event? I'm not travelling across the country and spending big dollars to see these guys!"

I'm with Morgan... Mexico in the winter is VERY nice!

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I disagree with you JB I think a WRC event could do everyone some good here.

Look what they are doing here with drifting now. Had they taken the same aproach to promoting that sport that we take with rally here, that sport would be dead. But instead they start their season by bringing the best drivers from Japan to compete here to create big buzz and build a momentum for the rest of the season.

I guess it really depends what you want to get out of the sport. Seems to me that most people that run the SCCA series could care less about the sport growing and gaining popularity, they just want to go in the woods and run their car for cheap, nothing wrong with that I guess.

But if you want the sport to grow we have to put a much better product on those roads to make it worth watching.

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George, I totally agree that it would likely help our series and the sport of rallying in general if WRC came here. I agree with the drifting example. However it cost very little to put on a drifting event at Irwindale compared to a World Rally event. Its not a real fair comparison. To magically have a WRC event here would be great. But when you figure in the $ and work needed to put it on, promote it, get the spectators to come to it, and have suitable places for those spectators to view it, the cost-benefit relationship gets all out of kilter. In my opinion.
 

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J.B. & George,

Your both probably correct. But SCCA shouldn't be the prime initiator of a WRC event. SCCA is a not-for-profit membership club.

Your arguements "for" or "against" WRC sound very much like the ProRally vs ClubRally arguments of 2000 - 2003.

Much better that an independent FOR PROFIT group make the push for WRC.

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A small example:

In 1996 or so, someone came up with the idea of bringing a Trans-Am race to the streets of Minneapolis. A professional promotor made contact with SCCA Pro Racing and did all the heavy work. The local region staffed the race, and were paid to do so. Some of our racers managed to compete in the races, but not many. Interest in racing in the area went up dramatically in the years the Trans-Am came to town. Land O'Lakes Region went from 800+ members to about 1300. We had workers for our road races as well as competitors. Trans-Am went away (for a variety of reasons) and membership declined again.

I think the analogy is a fair one. Would a WRC event help rallying in the US? Yes, since more visibility is probably a good thing. Would the average (or even above average) rallyist benefit from it? Probably, I think, but not directly...and sometimes it's hard to step back and take the long look at the indirect benefits.

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Why wouldnt you want a WRC race here? It would help promote the sport and would actually get attention. It seems to work for the british rally championship. I would rather save my $$$ and aprouch a sponsor for a wrc event then a prorally event "get laughed at"
 

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As I say again; who are you going to get to flip the bill of $20 million dollars to put on the once a year event?

Hopefully the organzing committee might come out even and probably would be nervous that in the end the bills might mount up more than the profit.

Somebody would have to work awfully hard in finding a big time sponsor.

FIA has already said, "you have a good series over here." "Work on making it better."

I love to watch the WRC and yes... it would be nice to have one here ...but it would be so much work and volunteers who already have jobs could not put in the mounds of hours into organzing such an event.

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Denise hit the nail on the head. While a WRC event might be a good idea, it would need buckets of money from a big-time sponsor and professional organizers. No gang of amateurs, no matter how skilled and dedicated, should take something like this on. This doesn't make it a worse idea, just less likely to happen.

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>People will tell you a WRC event will generate buzz and
>increase awareness of rally which will trick down to the
>National championship and ClubRally as well. I can't make
>that connection.

>J.B. Niday
>www.nidayrallysport.com


Hmm, has the F1 race at Indy created an increased interest in F1 in the US? How bout trickle down to Champ cars or Indy? How bout open wheel racing in general? Seriously, I don't know if it has or hasn't. Anybody have some numbers?

On a semi-related note, the recent PGA championship held in Wisconsin has really fired up golf, and the annual EAA Airventure convention held in Oshkosh has made the term "sport flying" household words in Wisconsin.

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What about one of the best cities in So.Cal, Los Angeles? How about combining the total mileage of Rim, Gorman and Treeline into one big rally? They are all roughly accessed about an hour of each other. All we need is the $20 million!
 

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That would be nice; but that would be it for SoCal the whole year you would be putting together that event only. Since most of your key personnel could only concentrate only on that event and not work on other rallys. Not unless you have the time and energy.

When there was a WRC event here in the USA long time ago...it burned out that organzing committee. Once the event is over..you start immediately working on the following year....


I know it sounds like a downer, and I am not trying to sound like that...but even putting on a ProRally event takes up so much of a organizing committee's time/energy. Most ProRally events start backup on getting ready for the next years event within a couple of months from the previous one. Since it is not a fixed venue like a speedway...you are dealing with lots of variables for such a BIG time event like a WRC.

What we need to do is go out get a lottery ticket and win millons of dollars and then we would have time on our hands by quitting our jobs and have a rally limo take us to where we need to go... ;)

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I think all of this discussion is great, and we would love to have a WRC event here in the US and I know that the competitors across the world would love to have an event here as well. The key to all of this is the FIA. In order for them to even consider an event you have to run your event under FIA rules. The only event that does that is the Ramada Express Hotel and Casino International Rally. Even our event does not run under the strict FIA rules. We basically run under the FIA format. The rules are a different story. We try to run under some of their rules, but as our competitors know, some of the rules are not very competitor friendly, especially the service time.

The WRC event in Mexico took over 5 years of planning and running their event under the FIA regualtions each year before the FIA agreed to have a WRC event there. We have been told by the organizers of the Mexico rally (Juan Suberville)that they spent 1 million dollars each year to get their rally to the point of being approved for a WRC event. We were also told by the organizers while we were in Mexico with the Gibeaults working the rally that the total cost of the event was $5 million. Keep in mind things in Mexico like printing and property rental are less expensive than here in the US. I think that the road permission comes from the local government and I don't believe that Mexico has to pay for permits.

Our hope is that one day we will see a WRC event here. I think it would be great for the sport.
 

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a couple of quick points ...

Nobody should want a WRC event if it does not make financial sense to host it ... an operating budget of $20,000,000 is one thing, needing that much in sponsorship is another.

It should be noted that both canadian events that were aiming for WRC status (long term) are off the calander now.

The biggest problem now is that most events are not run as businesses nor are they run by businessmen.

The other problem will be with fleshing out the field of competitors. There are typically as many or more 'locals' as there are WRC and PCWRC/JWRC competitors - we just don't have that kind of depth in international classes here.
 
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