I know we're all programmed to think tread depth is indicative of something, but it must not be everything since cold tires with tread depth don't work at all - so maybe it's all about pattern and compound?Is it just me, or is the tread depth really... low?
Uh, what? Tread depth is extremely important in offroad situations, what exactly are you going on about?I know we're all programmed to think tread depth is indicative of something, but it must not be everything since cold tires with tread depth don't work at all - so maybe it's all about pattern and compound?
Can you explain what exactly it is you think the tread depth does?Uh, what? Tread depth is extremely important in offroad situations, what exactly are you going on about?
And I'm saying that I don't think you have much evidence to support such a statement. There are so many variables surrounding the choice that to make the call you are making without presenting a detailed accounting of those variables is pointless.I'm saying tire compound is at least as important, if not more, than tread depth.
Or I can just ask myself, having maxed out the allowed average speed before on a stage while in winter tires. There are so many variables that you are just tossing to the wind in such a narrow minded statement.Ask anyone that's had to choose between running snow tires and gravels at 100AW what they ended up going with when the temperatures went below freezing, even when there was little snow or ice cover on the roads...
Again, your analysis is overly simplistic. At the end of the day, tread depth is very important. More important than compound? All I can say is that no one is running around on completely bald gravel tires.Gravel tires would have the "advantage" of tread depth, but the snow tires are compounded to run at the freezing temps, and were much better performers.
And their info would be largely useless in a very niche, specialized sport such as rally that does not really use tires the way they are necessarily designed to work for 99% of applications.I'd love to hear some explanation - but I can ask one of the tire engineers at work, too.
Unfortunately, white papers on rally tire development are few and far between. All I have is anecdotal evidence, combined with the general knowledge I've been able to dig up and figure out about how a tire in a loose surface situations functions. I'm sorry if it came off as "attacking" you in that last post, your response to my initial question seemed like you had something to prove? I don't know, but I apologize.I'm willing to accept evidence either way - if Hoosier is designing this thing with lower block height, then they must have some reason to think it works.
I was just hoping you'd have some technical backup for saying the tread depth is so important- because I think it's perfectly reasonable to think it'd be possible to get good performance with less depth.
edit: in most cases I've heard of tread depth being important are mostly related to maximum performance stopping, or when something is stuck and you need to dig out - most rally driving on gravel, aside from the start, is a lot of lower wheel spin scenarios-
I've got a fairly decent ability to read and understand technical material, so if you can explain what's supporting your idea, I'd appreciate it.
Just be careful if you are running them in hot abrasive situations!Turns out Hoosier nailed the compound. Tires that are soft, grippy, yet don't melt like all others, extending life to 3 to 4 times the competitors.
Or so I've heard.
Unless we have multiple front running teams using the multiple different tires, its tough to tell. Maxxis seems decent enough for Seehorn, doesn't seem to slow him down and he is the fastest privateer besides McKenna.Just be careful if you are running them in hot abrasive situations!
Albert and his car at Colorado burned a whole set of them in one loop of stages, contrast to other guys who were setting similar times on maxxis and I think Federal tires?
But I haven't run them personally, so I can't say for sure. I know I was impressed with the wear of the Federals when I was looking at them at Colorado.