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The latest FasTrack did not contain the full proposal for Historic Class rules (if so, I sure missed it), only a very brief summary. So that interested SCCA members can submit educated comment to the PRB, here is the entire text of the current proposal on the PRB's table:

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SCCA Performance Rally Historic Class Rules

Revision Proposal
Feb 26, 2003

1. Principles
The purpose of Historic Class is to "enable the active celebration of the History of the Motor Car" in stage rallying. The Historic Class rules are intended to "preserve the specification of (the) period and prevent the modifications of performance and behaviour which could arise through the application of modern technology." Furthermore, "Historic competition is not simply another formula in which to acquire trophies, it is a discipline apart, in which one of the essential ingredients is a devotion to the cars and to their history."
(quotes taken from Appendix K to the International Sporting Code of the FIA)

2. Eligibility
In all cases, cars entering Performance Rally events as Historic Class are limited to two wheel drive normally aspirated cars of 1974 model year and earlier.

3. Preparation rules
In all cases, Historic Class cars must comply with Articles 5, 6, and 10.2.B of the Performance Rally Rulebook. All Historic Class cars must be prepared to at least one of the following specifications:

A. Beyond the requirements of Articles 5 and 6, all modifications must use methods and technology contemporary to the car, with the following exceptions:
1. Brake lining material is free
2. Wheels and tires are free
3. Lighting is free
4. Odometers and non-performance accessories such as intercoms are free, although period instrumentation is encouraged.

B. Eligible cars meeting Series Production Touring Car (T), Competition Touring Car (TC) and Standard Grand Touring (GT) specification as defined in Chapter II, sections 8, 11 and 12 of Appendix K to the International Sporting Code of the FIA, are eligible to compete in Historic Class. The car's driver is responsible for providing proof of compliance with these rules.

C. Eligible cars meeting Historic and PostHistoric specifications of the MotorSport Associate (UK) current Competitors' Yearbook (Blue Book), section K paragraphs 36 through 37 are eligible to compete in Historic Class. The car's driver is responsible for providing proof of compliance with these rules.


4. Enforcement
Historic Class is a supplemental Class to Group 2 and Group 5. Event tech lines will only ensure class compliance with Group 2/5 rules (article 10.2.B). Compliance with Historic Class rules will be enforced among Historic Class competitors at each event. It is suggested that all Historic Class competitors meet for mutual inspection of the cars following event technical inspection and the first Parc Expose, and any conflicts resolved at that time among the competitors. Non-Historic Class competitors may not protest Historic Class eligibility. Following First Car Out, no protests may be lodged by any competitor regarding Historic Class eligibility.

5. Future Direction of the Class
While not required at this time, prospective Historic Class competitors are encouraged to build their cars to FIA / MSA specification. The rules governing the SCCA Historic Class are intended to allow reasonable modification for use in modern Performance Rally events while encouraging use of Historic Class cars in international vintage stage rally competition.




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Phil Smith
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Historic Class is a supplemental Class to Group 2 and Group 5. Event tech lines will only ensure class compliance with Group 2/5 rules (article 10.2.B).
I'm confused. Does this mean H would be part of the Open Category?

And would be held to Grp 2/5 prep rules?

Would you be able to run non-standard fuel injection? A modern 5 speed dog box?

I thought the proposal was looking good until I got to that bit.

What are you the Historic Class Manager of?
 

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Reread paragraph 3. There are two requirements basically, one is an underlying limitation of Art 5, 6 and 10.2.B - - - which is Open g2/5 category as you said. But the other is that except for Art 5 and 6 (safety-related items), all modifications have to comply with restrictions essentially limiting the car to period modification. So, no, a non-standard FI unit is not eligible.

Event tech line inspectors are not going to be held responsible for ensuring vintage modification compliance. It's a competitor-enforced class. That's the point of paragraph 4.
 

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"New" proposal has nothing new. '71 or '74 - same thing....nothing improves. Very disappointing.

PS. Glenn - you're going to inspect and approve youself at the RIM. Don't be too hard...
 

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In fact, you are mistaken.

If you read the current rules, you will note that they are restrictive regarding allowable modifications - basically, any modification not specifically allowed by the rules is forbidden, unless the competitor can prove it was actually used in rally competition.

The proposed rule set places the only restriction on keeping the car "period." Generally, modifications are free (consistent with g2/g5) as long as they could have been done when the car was a current model (as befits a dedicated vintage class). And the exact meaning of that statement is left up to those who actually put the time and funds into running in H Class; the judges of H Class will be those who come play the game.
 

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> The proposed rule set places the only restriction on
>keeping the car "period." Generally, modifications are free
>(consistent with g2/g5) as long as they could have been
>done when the car was a current model (as befits a dedicated
vintage class).

Paul,

The basic problem with a "Period Spec" approach is that most cars were rallied years AFTER the model year. Not when new.

The attraction of Historic Cars is the "car" itself, not the era in which it was produced. So if you're trying to replicate a "period car", later year modifications must be allowed. Your rules have no such provisions and that just begs for discord among the competitors. Something nobody wants.

Separately, I agree with Topi that 1974 is too early a cutoff.

Thanks for posting the full text of your proposal.

Rich Smith

Vive le Pro-le-Ralliat
 
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