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The red, white and blue Z-28 was John Townsends. It was a shell of a 67 or 68 and dropped on a cage that he designed and had the Wonder Muffler guy do the tube bending. The rear end was his design from a dirt car specks. It had something like 22" of travel. The engine was a short block 350 right out of the crate. He tweeked the motor according to Smokey Yunick's book on engines. It was quite light as it had no glass except the windshield. All the rest was plastic. The side windows were on draw strings to save weight.
The first time he rang out the motor was at a rally-cross type thing at a gravel pit in Jan. When we were heading back to town and getting on I-94 he said lets see what it will do and promptly blew-up the clutch on the entrance ramp. He drove the thing the 40 miles home to the shop in Taylor, MI in traffic with no clutch.
The car was very fast BUT had little or no bite out of the start line. He tried the wide BFG's and hanging one off the rear and then the skinny Sportmasters to no avail. John designed a Porsche type "whale tail" like the Le Mans cars. His calculations were an extra 2000lbs at 55mph. I don't think it ever got built.

Here it is at the Allegro Rally

 

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William Pichardo of Swarthmore, PA ran a Monza in 1979 at STPR. Bill was probably better known for running a Fiat 124 sedan in the early to mid 70's.
Blowing out lots of cobwebs, Bill's car was a 124 Coupe not a Sedan. Dredging up even older stuff, I think that Nils Ericksen ( and I) were the only 124 Spider in Pro Rally. The 124 Coupe and our 124 Spider had only the Fiat wreath on the hood in common with the Abarths.
 

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The red, white and blue Z-28 was John Townsends. It was a shell of a 67 or 68 and dropped on a cage that he designed and had the Wonder Muffler guy do the tube bending. The rear end was his design from a dirt car specks. It had something like 22" of travel. The engine was a short block 350 right out of the crate. He tweeked the motor according to Smokey Yunick's book on engines. It was quite light as it had no glass except the windshield. All the rest was plastic. The side windows were on draw strings to save weight.
The first time he rang out the motor was at a rally-cross type thing at a gravel pit in Jan. When we were heading back to town and getting on I-94 he said lets see what it will do and promptly blew-up the clutch on the entrance ramp. He drove the thing the 40 miles home to the shop in Taylor, MI in traffic with no clutch.
The car was very fast BUT had little or no bite out of the start line. He tried the wide BFG's and hanging one off the rear and then the skinny Sportmasters to no avail. John designed a Porsche type "whale tail" like the Le Mans cars. His calculations were an extra 2000lbs at 55mph. I don't think it ever got built.

Here it is at the Allegro Rally


I would have loved to have heard that puppy thunder through the woods. While looking at the pics I also saw the yellow Cutlass. I have a neighbor with one of those that has just been sitting there for years. Drop a GNX turbo 3.8 in it and...ok I gotta stop.

A museum would be cool, even if it was just a virtual one for now.
 

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Blowing out lots of cobwebs, Bill's car was a 124 Coupe not a Sedan. Dredging up even older stuff, I think that Nils Ericksen ( and I) were the only 124 Spyder in Pro Rally. The 124 Coupe and our 124 Spyder had only the Fiat wreath on the hood in common with the Abarths.
Even more cobwebs. Perhaps Paul Jaeger is the one that can answer this since he knows where his boxes of programs and results are. But I think I recall that Bill Pichardo had a Studebaker Lark that he ran previous to that. Might have run under the banner of the Fairleigh Dickinson University Sports car Club? Maybe 1970-73 POR ballpark?
 

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But I think I recall that Bill Pichardo had a Studebaker Lark that he ran previous to that.
Bill ran the Studebaker Lark at the 1973 Rally of the Rideau Lakes.

In 1974, he showed up in the Fiat 124 Spyder when the Rideau Lakes was a WRC event.

Bill's Fiat was not much more than a production car. Quite a difference between his Fiat and the three factory Fiat 124 Abarths at the event.

As the rally proceeded, the works Fiats started to DNF. At the same time Bill was steadily moving up in the standings. When the last works Fiat retired from the rally, Bill was well into the top ten.

All of a sudden, Bill and his Fiat became extremely important to Fiat for WRC manufacturer points.

As Bill pulled into a major service about 2/3 of the way through the rally, he was met by the Fiat management, a full team of mechanics and truckloads of Fiat 124 parts.

When his car left service, it had morphed into an Abarth. Poor Bill, all he had to do was finish the rally and gain manufacturer points for Fiat and he would have had a works 124 Abarth and full support for the 1975 season.

Unfortunately, he DNF'd.
 

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Bill ran the Studebaker Lark at the 1973 Rally of the Rideau Lakes.

In 1974, he showed up in the Fiat 124 Spider when the Rideau Lakes was a WRC event.
The car I remember Bill in was a yellow 124 Coupe but that was post- Rideau Lakes. Did he run a Spider between the Lark and the Coupe?
 

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Even more cobwebs. Perhaps Paul Jaeger is the one that can answer this since he knows where his boxes of programs and results are. But I think I recall that Bill Pichardo had a Studebaker Lark that he ran previous to that. Might have run under the banner of the Fairleigh Dickinson University Sports car Club? Maybe 1970-73 POR ballpark?
Bill had the Studebaker for the 1972 POR. He started 74th and DNF'd the first night with suspension problems. It was a 1963 model with a 259 CID engine.
 

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The car I remember Bill in was a yellow 124 Coupe but that was post- Rideau Lakes. Did he run a Spider between the Lark and the Coupe?
I said Spyder in my post. Could have been a Coupe. The entry list for the Rideau Lakes just says Fiat 124.
 

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OK so reading thru the specs on the Camaro .... what were the build rules and what were the classes back then? That had to be almost an unrestricted open class right?
 

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OK so reading thru the specs on the Camaro .... what were the build rules and what were the classes back then? That had to be almost an unrestricted open class right?
When I started there was one class, "Run whatcha brung."

Then there was Production ...

and then there were Fire Arrows ...

and then there was Production GT ...

etc, etc, etc ...
 

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Open and stock were the two groups. I think it was the third event he entered and there were rumors that it had a truck frame. That got shot down by having someone crawl under the front end. John would push the edges sometimes but I don't recall he ever was set down for anything. I think the item that worried him the most was his rear sup. design. If you looked in the car it had one of those blue tarps tied down over it.
Other than lack of traction the other problem was the power steering belt coming off. Then it was a REAL handful. The car ranks up there with all the cars I have driven. It takes a second to Walkers yellow Volvo for sheer thrill to drive.
 

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First rulebook I can find is 1975 (combined w/ Road Rally).

Silent on build rules except for safety equipment (roll bar, 4 point quick release belts).

In 1979 along came P. Build rules still silent for other than P.

"Creativity" was not punished.......

OK so reading thru the specs on the Camaro .... what were the build rules and what were the classes back then? That had to be almost an unrestricted open class right?
press on,
 

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First rulebook I can find is 1975 (combined w/ Road Rally).

Silent on build rules except for safety equipment (roll bar, 4 point quick release belts).

In 1979 along came P. Build rules still silent for other than P.

"Creativity" was not punished.......



press on,

Absotively posolutely. Just like MM said: run whacha brung. Those were the days when men were men and sheep were afraid! :eek:

You would have fit right in, Pirate.
 

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First P car we were next to showed up at POR. A couple from California in a Colt (?). We dubbed them B-o-o-b-s (did you know there is a "bad" word censor here ? - Grimshaw never would have made it) and Bones for obvious reasons. P rules were so strict at the time that you had to run OEM everything - down to the oil filter. We thought that was the dumbest thing to come out of SCCA.

Boy were we wrong.....

press on,
 

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. While looking at the pics I also saw the yellow Cutlass. I have a neighbor with one of those that has just been sitting there for years. Drop a GNX turbo 3.8 in it and...ok I gotta stop.
It didn't really need that. A friend was closely involved in in Paul's getting the car. It had been a brake test car for someone (GM?) and had been fitted with an Olds 403. Paul added an aluminum 4bbl manifold and headers. The ride height was with basically stock springs. Paul had removed so much weight that it rode that high. The plastic wheels were from Motor Wheel and never went into production.
-78 POR. All the Baraga Plains roads had been tied together to create one 25 mile long stage. We had a Volvo 122 and started ahead of Paul. After a while he caught us. The roads got twistier and we lost him. The roads got straighter and he caught. Twistier and we lost him again. Straighter,he caught us. I don't think he ever got by but it was a great battle to the end.
Paul was a high school band director. He previously road raced in A sports racer with obsolete Can-Am cars. A Mclaren Mk.II and then to the McKee CroSal Can AM car. It had a stainless steel monoque tub, AWD, and was powered by an twin turbo, all aluminum Olds 455.
 

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It didn't really need that. A friend was closely involved in in Paul's getting the car. It had been a brake test car for someone (GM?) and had been fitted with an Olds 403. Paul added an aluminum 4bbl manifold and headers. The ride height was with basically stock springs. Paul had removed so much weight that it rode that high. The plastic wheels were from Motor Wheel and never went into production.
The 403 was a good motor, IIRC it was used in some of the 6.6 T/As and those were the faster ones. I just have neighbor with a that-generation Cutlass just sitting in the driveway and has been for years, I know it has a 229 or 231 in it that is junk and I have a buddy that has a pretty squashed 87 GNX with a good drivetrain in it...then my mind starts making leaps.
I'll save my wife the effort and yell at myself this time. ONE PROJECT AT A TIME!

-78 POR. All the Baraga Plains roads had been tied together to create one 25 mile long stage. We had a Volvo 122 and started ahead of Paul. After a while he caught us. The roads got twistier and we lost him. The roads got straighter and he caught. Twistier and we lost him again. Straighter,he caught us. I don't think he ever got by but it was a great battle to the end.
Paul was a high school band director. He previously road raced in A sports racer with obsolete Can-Am cars. A Mclaren Mk.II and then to the McKee CroSal Can AM car. It had a stainless steel monoque tub, AWD, and was powered by an twin turbo, all aluminum Olds 455.
My high school band director drove a Pacer wagon. I think I got gypped.
 

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As others have mentioned, it was run what ya brung in the early days. Dan Coughenaurer (sp?) ran a tube framed buggy for a few years, there were several Baja bugs run as well as Porsche powered Beetles.
 
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