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Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?
 

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

Is there a "rest of the question"? It could be own one, like one, hate them, beat them, want one...

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

Anders, for some unknown reason, it wouldn't accept the rest of my question which was basically, "How many high end National/Regional car owners/drivers of Subies/Evo's would give them up to drive a 2wd vehicle in more events, ie, go to Gp F?

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

I believe that's because you have to do a short poll question, then put the complete text in the message portion of the poll.
 

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

Thanks Christian.

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

They can do that now, but they don't. Having said that, I've long supported a single 2wd class like GpF and been shouted down by droves of subscribers to this and other forums. To me, a GpF-like class not only makes sense, it gives value to the Woodner Cup. Make no mistake, however. No matter how you structure the class, money still wins out. If the class becomes popular (and valuable to manufacturers or tuners), the close competition you are seeing in GpF will disappear. SCCA Showroom Stock classes are a perfect example.
 

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

>They can do that now, but they don't. Having said that, I've
>long supported a single 2wd class like GpF and been shouted
>down by droves of subscribers to this and other forums.

I got your back man and so do a TON of other folks.
To me,
>a GpF-like class not only makes sense, it gives value to the
>Woodner Cup. Make no mistake, however. No matter how you
>structure the class, money still wins out. :)

But it wouldn't win out as easily as it does in other classes since you are racing in 2wd cars with a minimum weight. Also, there are Group F drivers giving big spenders a good run for their money already.

And, at least there wouldn't be these empty classes.
 

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Utecht was the first- let us be the 2nd

Ours goes up officially today. I did the numbers & discussed it at length including the addtl contingecies over the weekend with the wife. I simply cannot support the WRX effort with a family. I was fortunate to have been able to run my dream car for a couple events. It was really fun. Much thanx for those who helped.

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My bet is that if you build/buy a COMPETITIVE GF car (good suspension and GEARBOX, and a warm engine), your smile will be as big as ever...surpassing what was possible with a PGTwrx.

Just a hunch.:) Good luck.
 

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Thanx Eric. We'll be at S*D supporting you & the others & this time I'll be mixin the margaritas... :)

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>My bet is that if you build/buy a COMPETITIVE GF car (good
>suspension and GEARBOX, and a warm engine), your smile will be
>as big as ever...surpassing what was possible with a PGTwrx.
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>Just a hunch.:) Good luck.

I used to worry about how I did against my normal competition. Then I got some RWD with a close ratio box and even if I come in last it's still have more fun than the Sentra. It is a TOTAL BLAST!!! I smile for a solid week after every event. YeeeeeeeHawwwwwwwwww!!!!
 

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RE: Utecht was the first- let us be the 2nd

mates, I got rid of the Evo 7 and have on a ship coming from New Zealand a 1975 Mark 2 Ford Escort :), Rear drive old school, man it will be fun, I don,t care if I finish dead last, the need to go sideways is very strong and its way cheaper than my Evo, don,t get me wrong, I loved the Evo but boy real expensive to run/maintain
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>mates, I got rid of the Evo 7 and have on a ship coming from
>New Zealand a 1975 Mark 2 Ford Escort :), Rear drive old
>school, man it will be fun, I don,t care if I finish dead
>last, the need to go sideways is very strong and its way
>cheaper than my Evo, don,t get me wrong, I loved the Evo but
>boy real expensive to run/maintain
>Leon
Somehow Leon, I don't think you'll be all that much down the results list.
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RE: Utecht was the first- let us be the 2nd

Well who can say?
Our own PNW boy Derek Bottles used to have a GTX Maz-dog and came around asking what the costs to do a 4x4 Cosworth would be and decided to "Go back to the Future" and Go GpF and that was 3 years ago.
Just about 2 weeks ago he was slathering and drooling, and touching himself like a perv about Karl Jardevall's Evobitchi since Kalle is selling it for a price Derek could easily afford, and Jardevall is the ONLY West Coast car he has yet to beat this last year, and he even went so far as to advertise the Golf at some stooopid cheap price.
But somebody said to him, Why do ya s'pose Jardevall is selling the thing? And what would it prove to kick and stomp the cars you've already beat?

So now he's remaining a F'er.

And somebody ought to call Kalle and ask Va fan ska du nu, va?




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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

I'll get flamed for this, but someone's gotta do it. Here is the unpopular dissenting veiwpoint:

I tried the GrF/2wd/low buck approach, and didn't like it. Sure it was fun, and certainly better than no rallying, but in the end I didn't find the cost differential justified the fun differential.

The Focus I drove at RIM had at least $10k in trick parts on it, but really needed another $10k to make it quick. The Saturn we drove at OFPR was a great starter car, but needed some serious development to be competitive. Since no parts are available, all of would have to be custom, which means lotsa time, and lotsa money.

When I add it all up, to build a good GrF car, it's gonna take twenty grand AND one or two years of development (go to rallies, break or get your ass kicked, go home fix it, go to rally again, etc....). Conversely, you could take your twenty grand and build up a PGT WRX. Salvage title cars are pretty affordable, pop in a cage, skid plates, shocks, and seats and you're on the stages. We're talking a prep time of only a few months, for a car that is instantly competitive, just as fast as an F car, relatively durable, and eligible for contingency. Just because it's easy doesn't make it bad (right Randy?).

Yes, more sideways is more fun. Can't argue that. But sideways is slow folks, and I dunno about you, but I'm here to race. There is sport for the act of going sideways for the sake of sideways, it's called drifting. Rally is about getting down the road as fast as you can, and that's the part that I enjoy. I'm gonna drive the fastest car I can get my hands on, because that's what I consider fun.

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

There are so many cheap, I mean almost free RX-7's out there, you couldn't possibly spend 20 G's to build one unless you were insane. I have 7 or 8 in mine, fortunately for GF mine's turbo. I have cheap rally bilsteins, 200 for the front, more expensive in back, built my own cage, and non-turbo rotaries are bullet proof when using the stock engine management and large injectors. I would say the cars are the way to go. They are strong, handle great, and will cost you less to go fast IMO than any other car for the cost. Prove me wrong boys. If things go right, I will be running as much group F as I can stand in the future. And finally, who can resist a car that sounds like a chainsaw. You can here 'em coming from across the continent.


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P.S. Dennis, if you think sideways is slow, I have a car you should ride in. And of course, this is all in fun!}(

Edit for being slightly confrontational, this is Pete's thread BTW.
 

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RE: Having read the Gp F thread, how many National/Regional driver/owners would sell their high end Subaru's and EVO's to compete in more events, at less cost to themselves, in 2wd vehicles?

>P.S. Dennis, if you think sideways is slow, I have a car you
>should ride in. And of course, this is all in fun!}(
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I don't THINK sideways is slow, I KNOW sideways is slow.

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