Pete, look for the >>><<< thingies, it'll point to a important thing,
OK?
>>Pat, humor, eh?
>>OOOOppps Humour, OK?
>>And you never addressed >>>>>>>>why you can't just build your car 34
>>or 32 if that what you wanted,<<<<<<< and >>>>let me keep my 40mm car
>>with the standard road car wide ratio box and 3.64 gearing<<<<<<<,
>>the final performance of the car will be similar, just
>>different means to get there.
>>Not what idf somebody builds a maxed out 40mm car.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not what if.<<<<<<<<
>>My car.
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>>John Vanlandingham
>>Seattle, WA. 98168
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>>Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
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>John,
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>What car?
The only turbo car I have for rally.
The black Xtatty with the rebuilt to stock spec Ford Cosworth YBG 16valve motor
all stock except the mounts and the oil cooler, bolted to a stock road car gearbox (which cost less than $200, and the spare cost $125, the extra box for the case and 909 50Nm center VC cost $75, see the difference?????? under 200 bucks versus what for a good STI box which WILL FAIL repeatedly?)
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>Can't make rules based on your car, or anyone elses. We must
>consider what is possible with a given combonation within
>the rules, and what the end result is to the rally community
>long term.
Pete WE must, if we are to use the word must, _SOMEBODY_ must JUSTIFY changes to domestic classes with more than saying lame things about "that's the trend elsewhere".
That's sorta about as bright as saying in a domestic series full of oddly enough here in USA Americans that we should all be compelled to have US flags by our names.
There is no point in a US class to reference elsewhere.
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> Everytime you argue against 34 you use the argument that a
>34 engine/car must be MAX spec and optimized to no end
>resulting is excessive expence.
Well a STI or Evo with stock ratios homologated and therefore available in the box and the final drive is FAR more optimised and ready for the restrictor than my standard road car Ford box or the guys with Eclipses or virtually everthing else..
Fer Petes sake Pete have you noticed than eventually the two manufacturers who actually make available turbo 4x4 cars started making them with nice sets of ratios oddly enough as the restrictors went down in size?
maybe you young 'uns might go look at Rallybase.com and spend some time looking over the scores and times when GpA was 40mm and GpN was 38.
Remember, the GpN cars had standard wide ration boxes most with nearly the exact ratios that my Ford has.
Plenty of times back then GpN cars made decent top 10 results, and to quote the man who was running Ford's GpN development program then :
"The boxes weren't the problem, it was the lack of brakes!"
Now I am OK with having my standard roadcar box maybe with the stiffer center diff, if my motor can both pull and rev.
I don't think I will be very happy AND I STILL DON"T SEE THE POINT in an _OPEN_ class, with a motor which will not rev.
Then you say your 40 motor
>is cheap as it's stockish,
Very cheap to build and to run, since the size of the internals (57mm mains and 52 mm rod hournal, a _relatively_ speaking hugely strong crank and rods, and flywheel, good forged pistons stock essentially a notor which is safe well over 400 bhp therefore barely stressed at 330ish, and the T34 variaton will keep turbine speed to a road cars 85,000 rpm so good reliability there also.
what if someone really wants to
>win and maxes the 40 engine? You say it's still cheaper?
>explain.
No re read the post about this is pointlkess tautology to speak of motors and restrictors alone, they are bolted to gearboxs and final drives.
I am saying that if I can have my normal PGT/GpN 1/2 level powerplant with a nice "open" restrictor, then I am happy, I don't feel the need to do a box to do what I want.
Strangle my motor and yes every other motor and then those with the newish cars with the nice ratios and diff ratios will instantly be at a distinct advantage.
Let's be honest PLEASE, we all know this was part of the trend to have a two car-brand parade, aint it odd how all the supporters are in one or the other of the brands which sell GpN cars.
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>Peter
John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168
Vive le Prole-le-ralliat