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No that's touque as in the famous question "Where's you're toque, eh?"
I have no been told by three different Pro Rally Board members that when they sign on, they have been told explicitly not to post anything here on these forums.
The presumption is that all of us reading these pages are appearantly too stupid to grasp that there can be a number of different roles that individuals might have and that there is no means imaginable to allow the PRB meembers who might wish to comment about their viewpoints on a issue which would make clear that they are commenting as Joe Bloggs rally licence holder and competitor, or Joe Bloggs PRB member stating his opinion, or Joe Bloggs PRB member citing chaper and verse.
Now I am told that the person telling the PRB members is the fellow who has claimed what the sport needs is a "benevelant dictator", which might be arguable if the beneveant dictator in question had any experience in the sport, but I would still question the need.
What I want to know before I suggest to Jim Konkler on the SS Feedback forum is this:
Do you all want to have your fellow competitors and accaintences who sometimes are PRB members be able to comment on things in their role as FELLOW COMPETITORS here on SS.com?
Would you all like to see PRB members taking part in discussions and debates on the PROCESS of rule formation here?
This could be easily accomplished by giving them all 2 sign on names each indicating the role they are speaking in. Easy. Then all we would have to do to see if the opinions were Bloggs the VW driver or Bloggs mothing inane platitudes from the Party line would be to check the sign on name and the signature.
Geeeeeze that weren't hard wuzit?
You all know that I have some wacky ideas about the democratization of the Rally world and those that know me better know that I point to Sweden and English Club systems as the route that slowly must be built up and point to our Cousins up in the Great White North as the nearest example of how the system might work.
As part of that I believe that these forums have become the de facto place where, when it is convenient to SCCA are used as the means for reaching the memebership, and I think they should be Officially become a Siamese Twin Official Outlet for SCCA info and interchange.
Is the idea of a democratic governance and administration of a lesuire time social based activity truly outlandish?
I can see nothing but advantages if there were open and frank discussion and nothing served by secretive crap except mistrust and suspicion.
This is assuming that when a question is posed to a person it gets addressed exactly as asked.
Myself I would make mandatory PRB and PRD answering public questions.
It is absurd to think they have the time to answer dozen or hundreds of individual questions yet no time to answer 1000 people at once.
So whaddya Tsink?
John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168
Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
I have no been told by three different Pro Rally Board members that when they sign on, they have been told explicitly not to post anything here on these forums.
The presumption is that all of us reading these pages are appearantly too stupid to grasp that there can be a number of different roles that individuals might have and that there is no means imaginable to allow the PRB meembers who might wish to comment about their viewpoints on a issue which would make clear that they are commenting as Joe Bloggs rally licence holder and competitor, or Joe Bloggs PRB member stating his opinion, or Joe Bloggs PRB member citing chaper and verse.
Now I am told that the person telling the PRB members is the fellow who has claimed what the sport needs is a "benevelant dictator", which might be arguable if the beneveant dictator in question had any experience in the sport, but I would still question the need.
What I want to know before I suggest to Jim Konkler on the SS Feedback forum is this:
Do you all want to have your fellow competitors and accaintences who sometimes are PRB members be able to comment on things in their role as FELLOW COMPETITORS here on SS.com?
Would you all like to see PRB members taking part in discussions and debates on the PROCESS of rule formation here?
This could be easily accomplished by giving them all 2 sign on names each indicating the role they are speaking in. Easy. Then all we would have to do to see if the opinions were Bloggs the VW driver or Bloggs mothing inane platitudes from the Party line would be to check the sign on name and the signature.
Geeeeeze that weren't hard wuzit?
You all know that I have some wacky ideas about the democratization of the Rally world and those that know me better know that I point to Sweden and English Club systems as the route that slowly must be built up and point to our Cousins up in the Great White North as the nearest example of how the system might work.
As part of that I believe that these forums have become the de facto place where, when it is convenient to SCCA are used as the means for reaching the memebership, and I think they should be Officially become a Siamese Twin Official Outlet for SCCA info and interchange.
Is the idea of a democratic governance and administration of a lesuire time social based activity truly outlandish?
I can see nothing but advantages if there were open and frank discussion and nothing served by secretive crap except mistrust and suspicion.
This is assuming that when a question is posed to a person it gets addressed exactly as asked.
Myself I would make mandatory PRB and PRD answering public questions.
It is absurd to think they have the time to answer dozen or hundreds of individual questions yet no time to answer 1000 people at once.
So whaddya Tsink?
John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168
Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
