[Bruce]

For those of you eligible for the Club Rally National Championship tow fund, you need to send a W-9 form to SCCA Performance Rally Dept. This was announced at the 100AW banquet, but apparently everybody didn't get the message.

Need a W-9? Email me at [email protected] and I'll send you a PDF.

Bruce

 

[BVG927]

CHRIST WHAT IS A W-9 FORM FOR???

B~

 

[Bruce]

IRS Form W-9 is Request for Taxpayer Identification Number and Certification. SCCA needs your taxpayer ID to send you money.

Bruce

 

[Anders Green]

Look how much trouble there is handling something simple like club rally car number assignments.... and now they want my social security number???

Riiiiiiiiight.

Anders

 

[RichardM]

>Look how much trouble there is handling something simple
>like club rally car number assignments.... and now they want
>my social security number???
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
>
>Anders
To eliminate problems with car number assignment, from now on, your social security number is your car number. Number size shall remain as is. Those of you with cars too small for the complete number may tow a trailer with the rest of the number on it.

 

[BVG927]

So let me get this straight...
I enter a ClubRally event, and pay an extra $10.
that extra $10 was added on by SCCA with the sole purpose
of being given back at the end of the year to the
class champions that travel to the national Championship.
This is to help make it possible for them to get to the event.
This money was never income to the SCCA or any club.
It was all supposed to be set aside as the tow money pool.
Now SCCA wants to claim it as payment to us,
and we need to claim it as income..
Something here doesn't make sense to me.

B~

 

[RichardM]

The SCCA is not claiming it as a income to you. The infernal revenue service says that any body who sends money out over a certain amount must tell the IRS who got that money. When you do your taxes, it is up to you to declare it as income. Against this income, you may deduct your expenses for your hobby up to the point of the income. However, don't believe me as I am an engineer, not a CPA. And by the way, it is only $5 per car.
Richard Miller
edited to correct speeling

 

[Bruce]

>The SCCA is not claiming it as a income to you. The infernal
>revenue service says that any body who sends money out over
>a certain amount must tell the IRS who got that money.

Some of the tow fund reimbursements will be over that amount. SCCA, being a good taxpayer, HAS to report the amounts it pays out. Don't complain, they're just following the rules.

When
>you do your taxes, it is up to you to declare it as income.

...or not, as it's reimbursement for expenses.

>Against this income, you may deduct your expenses for your
>hobby up to the point of the income. However, don't believe
>me as I am an engineer, not a CPA.

Good advice. I can't think of any reason to report the tow fund reimbursement as income...but then I'm a lawyer AND an engineer and not a CPA. Check with your tax preparer.

Bruce

 

[Lancia037Rally]

Well I am an accountant / eliminate the tow fund

Reimbersements are not to be reported to IRS. I pay millions of dollars in reimbersments annually and do not require a W9 as it is not payment for services, rent, medical payments or lawsuit judgements or settlements and know that reimbersements are not reportable and there is no dollar value limitations.

I'd rather think SCCA is just pocketing the $ of anyone who do not funish their SS # (or TIN# if they or their team has one) by requiring something they don't even need.

Eliminate the tow fund period.
ClubRally should be grassroots and cheap. Why force budget teams to pay more in entry fees so that Mr. DeepPocketsEvoDriver can be reimbersed for towing to the CRNC? The answer is, because SCCA implemented the tow fund to generate capital by investing our money they collect early in the season until they are forced to pay it out or just permentantly deposit it themselves if someone fails to furnish their SS# that they do not need.

 

[RichardM]

RE: Well I am an accountant / eliminate the tow fund

> Reimbersements are not to be reported to IRS. I pay
>millions of dollars in reimbersments annually and do not
>require a W9 as it is not payment for services, rent,
>medical payments or lawsuit judgements or settlements and
>know that reimbersements are not reportable and there is no
>dollar value limitations.
>
We may need some one to verify this. Some one who knows the difference between a reimbersement and a reimbursement though. Just joking here. Serious comment on you next comment.
> I'd rather think SCCA is just pocketing the $ of anyone
>who do not funish their SS # (or TIN# if they or their team
>has one) by requiring something they don't even need.
>
Bull hockey. You are rabble rousing for no good purpose.
> Eliminate the tow fund period.
Send a proposal to do so. Even rabble rousers get listened to.
> ClubRally should be grassroots and cheap. Why force budget
>teams to pay more in entry fees so that Mr.
>DeepPocketsEvoDriver can be reimbersed for towing to the
>CRNC?
Are you buying the Evos for those of us driving Saabs or MG's or low cost Mustangs? Yes there were a few Evos and Subes there but most of the cars were grassroots cars. The remainder of your comment is just more bull hockey.
Richard Miller
The answer is, because SCCA implemented the tow fund
>to generate capital by investing our money they collect
>early in the season until they are forced to pay it out or
>just permentantly deposit it themselves if someone fails to
>furnish their SS# that they do not need.
>

 

[Pete Kuncis]

BTW, where the @%#&!%*$% was the Saturday nite banquet at 100AW? Everybody I asked didn't know. It wasn't written or posted anywhere. Someone I asked did say it was at the Elks/Lions. I asked locals around town where that was and nobody knew. We drove around a bit and didn't see it, so we said "fuggit" and went back to the hotel.

Pete

 

[Kim 100AW]

Chairman's humblest apologies for the lack of information on the awards bash. While listed in the schedule EVERYWHERE, the location failed to appear on almost any form (there was an edition that had it, but it was not the one posted either at Registration or on the web). And even if you knew it was at the Eagles, finding the place is also a challenge as you discovered.

I'll take all the kicks and screams...go 'head...lay it on me. I know how this forum LOVES organizers. (I'm headeed to the Bahamas with all the money!)

I owe you a Fat Tire. Or two.

BTW, great pics!

Kim DeMotte
Official Old Fart, etc.

 

[Lancia037Rally]

Rabble Rousing

>We may need some one to verify this. Some one who knows the
>difference between a reimbersement and a reimbursement
>though. Just joking here.

Long commute to work from Quebec to DC. I could hardly spell my name I'm so tired.

>Yes there were a few Evos and
>Subes there but most of the cars were grassroots cars.

Grassroots cars will be pushed out as teams with budgets are pushed from the ProRally ranks into ClubRally. There are at least 10 Evos contesting ClubRally in the Division I live in. Its just that divisions with less competition are inviting lesser cars and even seed8 drivers.

>The remainder of your comment is just more bull hockey.

What, that SCCA is scamming us out of our money? Off the top of my head: $50 for ID packages (CARS gives you a set and then its only $15 CDN thereafter and they replace them free after international events which use other backers), still overcharging for stagenotes, requiring international competitors be SCCA members to compete in SCCA events in comparasion to CARS allowing SCCA members compete in Canada without joining a Canadian club and claiming that their insurance requires it however organizers do not need acquire SCCA insurance. Could think of more if I sleep on it.
SCCA has to scam us, they have no real sponsors and aren't actively attempting to sign any as they are content to promote SCCA and have the club members pay everything.

 

[RichardM]

RE: Rabble Rousing

>>We may need some one to verify this. Some one who knows the
>>difference between a reimbersement and a reimbursement
>>though. Just joking here.
>
>Long commute to work from Quebec to DC. I could hardly spell
>my name I'm so tired.

Flying or driving? Either way, that is a real PITA.
>
>>Yes there were a few Evos and
>>Subes there but most of the cars were grassroots cars.
>
>Grassroots cars will be pushed out as teams with budgets are
>pushed from the ProRally ranks into ClubRally. There are at
>least 10 Evos contesting ClubRally in the Division I live
>in. Its just that divisions with less competition are
>inviting lesser cars and even seed8 drivers.
Guilty as charged except I have been driving for over 20 years. Still slow.
>
>>The remainder of your comment is just more bull hockey.
>
> What, that SCCA is scamming us out of our money? Off the
>top of my head: $50 for ID packages (CARS gives you a set
>and then its only $15 CDN thereafter and they replace them
>free after international events which use other backers),
>still overcharging for stagenotes, requiring international
>competitors be SCCA members to compete in SCCA events in
>comparasion to CARS allowing SCCA members compete in Canada
>without joining a Canadian club and claiming that their
>insurance requires it however organizers do not need acquire
>SCCA insurance. Could think of more if I sleep on it.
> SCCA has to scam us, they have no real sponsors and aren't
>actively attempting to sign any as they are content to
>promote SCCA and have the club members pay everything.

SCCA does not get the moeny for the ID packages. A print company in Denver gets it. I have complained that there is no separate pricing package available. This should be available soon. Also, you can have a local print shop make it up. As far as requiring membership to compete, I have no problem with that. More power to CARS if they don't. Membership to work is another thing. As for Club members paying for everything, yes. Similar clubs I can think of might be golf or tennis clubs. Of course many of those are clubs in name only and are actually for profit companies.
Richard

 

[Lancia037Rally]

RE: Rabble Rousing

>>SCCA does not get the money for the ID packages.

Quit being so gullable.

http://www.scca.org/amateur/performance_rally/ProRallyNumberResForm.pdf

"This ongoing project has successfully built a unified, professional image to our sport. By working together, and keeping an eye on the fast moving ball of global Rally competition, we are building the entire spectrum of SCCA Performance Rally offerings into a premium motorsports competition and entertainment venue equal to that presented anywhere on the globe."

What a crock.
Here is an idea: Quit promoting yourself which pays nothing and get a title sponsor or allow organizers to sell this space to lessen competitor's and organizer's cost.

 

[John Vanlandingham]

jeeeeeze Shindle! You shoulda warned me

That that document was PURE 100% PROMO back patting TREACLE!!!

I think I got a cavity in my tooth just reading it!! Thanks a whole lot!

THAT PIECE OF SELF PROMOTION ; NEAR PUBLIC ONANI, ENCAPSULTES THE PROBLEM OF WHAT RALLY IN USA MEANS IN A NUTSHELL: Self Promotion of stuff having NOTHING to do with membership vs nuts and bolts rally.

Somebody cut and paste it here so we can count the lines of subject and count the lines of self congratulaion/crowing. I smell the PR DOOOD at "work".
Read it as written and it's hard to understand if this is rules or F***ing "Press Release PR" garbage.

Regarding the small minded obsession with uniformity and the requirements for National flags in any National Championship event:

Hey all you guys who think that everybody having the same flag is, since it is exactly equal, therefore neutral or meaningless, and the the really reasonable and fun idea of, as always, RECCOMENDING, that people use their state flag,

Write a brief note here and cc to Christian Edström, mark the envelope or header "state flags", help him sort his mail, eh.

Anything other than state flags is silly, but now it is a rule and egos are on the line.



By The Way Somebody should do one of those polls:
Do you really give a s*** what letters are on the sticker on the door?

How about: Do you really think it is important that SCCA specify Helvetica Bold or whatever the hell it is in the rulebook for the font for names, what do the imagine will happen if somebody uses Garamond bold?



John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA. 98168

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

 

[Don Kennedy]

>
>I'll take all the kicks and screams...go 'head...lay it on
>me. I know how this forum LOVES organizers. (I'm headeed
>to the Bahamas with all the money!)
>
Is it enough money for a round trip ticket, or just one way? }>

 

[Bruce]

RE: Rabble Rousing

>>>SCCA does not get the money for the ID packages.
>
>Quit being so gullable.
>

...

>Here is an idea: Quit promoting yourself which pays nothing
>and get a title sponsor or allow organizers to sell this
>space to lessen competitor's and organizer's cost.

Perhaps gullible is better than uninformed. Section 3.2 of the Performance Rally Rules specifies that cars may be required by organizers to carry sponsor stickers, and specifies which areas may be used by organizers. Because organizers have been unsuccessful selling this space doesn't mean they've been somehow prevented from doing so.

Bruce

 

[Lancia037Rally]

Hope it didn't make you sick, John

>That that document was PURE 100% PROMO back patting
>TREACLE!!!

Just a couple sentences could make the most veteran iron-stomach codrivers barf.

 

[Lancia037Rally]

RE: Rabble Rousing

>Perhaps gullible is better than uninformed.

Uninformed nothing. I have a rulebook although I don't pay much attention to what is inside cause the SCCA rules change on a whim and are only applicable to teams deemed unworthy.

The point is that the Performance Rally Department is content with promoting themselves and their lack of signing a series sponsor of any kind proves it.
As for organizers obtaining sponsors, look at what happened at Rim when the organizer was asked to remove event sponsor banners by the PRD. After that incident, what organizer would want to make any promises to potential sponsors?