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As the final event, perhaps the hardest event with the best competition in the States since the 1986 Olympus in terms of International competition, an event with the most variable weather and roads conditions kicks off, I think we all should pause and send a few thoughts to the man whose untiring work this year has made the results of this event, before the event is even finished, already impossible to judge what they will mean.

As the investigation of exactly what occured at Wild West after the paltry penalties was lifted drags on for over a month, when the crews that have worked to get to this event finish this weekend, they will still have no idea what their seasons final tally will be.

I have only competed at Lake Superior Pro Rally once but that one event and the exciting finish there has made it a favorite, especially as it was my first time, the conditions were so difficult, and the result pretty good, as well as the friendly and ethusiastic people and students in Houghton were also a big part of the fun.

So I wish all the competitiors and crews and the organisers and workers all the best and hope to see you next year....

In a year not marred by repeated interferance by the same individual again and again and by highly questionable Disqualifications, and actions unresolved which leave the meaning of the results of the exciting finalé up in the air.

Congratulations, Kurt! for a guy who boasted you "have the chops to get the job done" you've really gotten the job done, the only question is what job is it?

Who is on the committee investigating?
What are the points being investigated?
Will the relevent documents be available for review, if not why not?
What is the proposed action to reapply appropriate penalties? DQ? Zimmer was DQ on less publicly observed grounds?

What was the exact nature of the penatlies being lifted?
Document?
What will be done to prevent future subversions, perversions, and reversions of the rule book by SCCA Officials?

Oh, Kurt, any truth to the allegation that you signed Doc Scrader's name to the document lifting the penalties at WW as has been alledged?
Your credibility is being called into question by more than just me, Kurt.
We await your response.







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John VanLandingham you rascal you!! You have been told before that you are to be fully medicated before you sit down to the keyboard and do your best at prose (perhaps this is the problem.....John--We must get you the GOOD stuff). Clearly by the tone and inflection in your post you are displeased with how something went. The real question for you has got to be why you would bother posting here when the Dark Lord has made it desperately clear that he does not believe that the internet is an effective way of taking the pulse of how we the great unwashed are feeling about rally or anything else. You and I in particular, as we have this 'tone' about our posts (and perhaps it is just how we are?) that seems to offend certain amongst us. Lord knows that we cannot EVER risk offending anyone. In particular that individual who has done such fabulous stupendous amazing wonderful things for rallying here in the USA. Why just think John......Just a few years ago I had dreams of doing the National Series with my Volvo. No more. But it is clearly all for the best, as now we can have a LOT more fun in CLUBBIN' RALLY, where the prize money is exactly the same. For those of you who are a little thick; my post is written with tongue firmly planted in cheek, and the only person that I offer apologies to would have to be Paul Timmerman, as I have a pretty good idea that I have bored him again. All my love, JohnLane :*
 

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I can't also help but think that not having a resolution previous to today pretty much means that nothing will happen.

John, if you ever start a fan club, I'll be the President. I appologize to all the people that saw the light before I did, but as they say; better late then never.

I guess I'll have to keep my ProRally 2wd Production car to the Clubrally's. Besides, up here in the NorthWest we got about 7 killer production cars. Where else can you race against not 1 but 2 Geos. And get your butt kicked by multiple girls (girls DO kick butt)

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----Trevor said--
>I can't also help but think that not having a resolution
>previous to today pretty much means that nothing will
>happen.
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>John, if you ever start a fan club, I'll be the President. I
>appologize to all the people that saw the light before I
>did, but as they say; better late then never.
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>I guess I'll have to keep my ProRally 2wd Production car to
>the Clubrally's. Besides, up here in the NorthWest we got
>about 7 killer production cars. Where else can you race
>against not 1 but 2 Geos. And get your butt kicked by
>multiple girls (girls DO kick butt)
>
>Trevor
------Why Trevor, thanks ever so much for your kind words. I am just so shocked that we haven't had anyone else give the beehive a kick along with John V and I.

As we are well aware, the issue about Wild West is all done, and I'll let the Dark Lord have his opportunity to do his worst before I let loose with what I know of such things. ;)

I don't know about you, but I find some manner of perverse pleasure in getting my hiney kicked just royally by the likes of Janice and the other ladies here in the Northwest.

I'm real eager to see if you are still a wimp Trevor. :) Get that car together and we will see who lifts in the woods.

Y-all have a nice day. JohnLane.
 

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Announcing: the John! Fanclub

I hereby announce, after consulting nobody else, and on my own authority granted by me, that I have created the John! Fanclub and I am President and Dictator-at-large. It can be for any old John! you want, John V, John L, John Doe, it could even be Jon, it doesnt matter so long as its Jo(h)n!

I have a large set of rules, but nobody is allowed to know what they are but me, and I can change any of them I want at any time without notice or member input. I am also President and Dictator-at-large for life, or until I change my mind. Members will be notified of changes if I feel they need to know.

Anyone interested in joining can contact me as I am also The John! Fanclubs Minister of Indoctrination and Reprogamming. Comments, both good and bad, can be sent to me as I fill the position Minister of Propaganda and Anti-Anti-John! Covert Operations. Donations can be sent to me as I am also the Treasury Minister.

(The proceeding was paid for by the John! Committee for the ethical treatment of Trees)
 

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Gulp!! This sounds all too familiar. Brian---Shall we refer to you as OUR Dark Lord? Clearly you will be serving only the interests of the various and assorted 'Jons' involved. Sounds like a crappy job to me. You will give up a lot in keeping the Jons fanclub in clean and servicable condition (quite and undertaking).... I know that Trevor is wanting a crack at at the position (Do we like my choice of words here? Hmmmmm).... Perhaps what Trevor REALLY wants is a crack on the Arse given by the Likes of Janice or another of the lovely Northwest ladies. Hmmmmmmmmmm............ Oh Dear!! I may have done it again. I may just have made Paul Yawn. Sorry bud. Kisses, JohnLane. }>
 

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RE: Announcing: the John! Fanclub

Trevor will of course be given any title he wants that is not already taken. Some that come to mind are:

Minister of Entertainment (a very important one indeed)
Minister of Rules Enforcement
Deputy Minister of (take your pick)
Vice President and Deputy Dictator-at-large

With the power vested in me, I hereby grant Trevor the power to take/invent any title he desires so long as it is not taken already my me.
 

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>Trevor will of course be given any title he wants that is
>not already taken. Some that come to mind are:
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>Minister of Entertainment (a very important one indeed)
>Minister of Rules Enforcement
>Deputy Minister of (take your pick)
>Vice President and Deputy Dictator-at-large
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>With the power vested in me, I hereby grant Trevor the power
>to take/invent any title he desires so long as it is not
>taken already my me.

Paul Timmerman already nominated me "King Trevor". Kinda like the title but don't know if it does anything for me. King of what? Don't even go there Mr Lane.
 

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I can't believe you didn't mention the Grp N "local homologation" and "how does everyone else get it?" followed by the "local UN-homologation"!
 

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>>Trevor will of course be given any title he wants that is
>>not already taken. Some that come to mind are:
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>>Minister of Entertainment (a very important one indeed)
>>Minister of Rules Enforcement
>>Deputy Minister of (take your pick)
>>Vice President and Deputy Dictator-at-large
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>>With the power vested in me, I hereby grant Trevor the power
>>to take/invent any title he desires so long as it is not
>>taken already my me.
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>Paul Timmerman already nominated me "King Trevor". Kinda
>like the title but don't know if it does anything for me.
>King of what? Don't even go there Mr Lane.

-------Trevor-----Would I attempt that slippery slope? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............
One that has been notably absent from the list of titles is 'keeper of the bar' as well as 'DJ' for my infamous Ford parties. I DO always have the rockinest parties once the DNF happens. This may just be a part of why I tend to not be too misty eyed when I break my car. Remember folks.....The club guys haven't forgotten how to have FUN!!!!! I have every intention of shall we say......'Livening up' my service area further in '03. Those of us who have partaken of the amusements provided as a public service by me this last year will no doubt appreciate my efforts in the coming year. ;) JL.
 

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Maybe Kurtie has a Bi-Polar disorder.

>I can't believe you didn't mention the Grp N "local
>homologation" and "how does everyone else get it?" followed
>by the "local UN-homologation"!

Oi Glenn, you're right! But the catalog is just so long, too bad that's can't be what we're saying to him "So long!"

It occured to me on a serious (or at least as serious as I can get when thinking about the illogical, and inconsistant, and seemingly schizoid actions of anyone, not just "der berühmte und beliebte aber zu ironisch genämmt Spitzner") note that perhaps the wild swings of action may have a physiological base, seratonin uptake difficulties, or something like Bi-polar disorder. Seriously. I have had friends and a couple or 4 lovers who have tended toward bi-polar disorder and the wild swings were often a trip on the way up from the bottom.

Think of the wild inconsistancies:

Wild West 2002: Lovell and Millen obviously speeding, not on an open road but in a crowded service area, and in Lovell's case swerving around dangerously, and scaring Dave Clark genuinely (even if he is a weenie for jumping out of the way, a real man would have stood his ground. And gotten rich.)

Result: Weenie penalty assesed at the time, later mysteriously lifted by person or persons unknown in the middle of the night and no mention of the original action to be found. Until one simple question from one curious person.

LSPR 2002: Milner allegedly speeding on the open road, 10 minute penalty on the spot followed by on the spot Disqualification when he no doubt questioned the actions, possibly or probably in a way which North American English speakers might have found unproffessional, but which might just be normal current coarsened English.

Rim of the World 2002: Zimmer disqualified on the spot for what appeared to be an infraction, but he says was normal driving in the NE (and I believe that after watchingly the suicidal, agressive morons in the greater Boston area for 5 years),

Lovell given 3 minute or something for speeding and
#####-and-bull "look at the moose!" story concocted about the observed late leaving and on time arrival possible only by extended speeding.

One could go on, but the point is there are clear huge swings in application of penalties, and it seems they are being done as demonstrations "we're going to crack down on......" or, they are just wild swings of mood?

Dear readers should know that in the rest of the world that I have payed any attention to regarding rally, diqualification on the spot is extremely rare in my experience, especially for speeding. The normal penalty is a moderate time penalty, and the crew continues to finish the event, and then they can appeal, fight, or accept the penalty.
Perhaps to a guy like our famous and beloved (that's what berümte and beliebte means for all you guys too lazy to look up German words, look up Spitzner and see why it's so unfortunately ironic!) leader
Spitzner, who has appearantly never spent a dollar of his own or an hour of his own time to build a car and get to an event, it might seem a reasonable thing to _on the spot_ ruin a person's and indeed quite a few peoples' long work and expendtiture.

That's why it is such a horrible mistake to have guys like him with the power to make decisions on the spot.

And a mistake having people with no competition experience concieving of ideas on his own, or in concert with unknown outsiders, and un-named advertising stooges.

A wonderful Gloria Estephan tune comes to mind , a real latino rockin'
"Go away! why don't you just go away!"





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>John VanLandingham you rascal you!! You have been told
>before that you are to be fully medicated before you sit
>down to the keyboard and do your best at prose (perhaps this
>is the problem.....John--We must get you the GOOD stuff).

Stronger black tea? Already here in Coffee conceited Sleezattle Ihve bround many coffee drinkers over to the dark side, but you know stronger tea might just make the prose er....stronger.


>Clearly by the tone and inflection in your post you are
>displeased with how something went. The real question for
>you has got to be why you would bother posting here when the
>Dark Lord has made it desperately clear that he does not
>believe that the internet is an effective way of taking the
>pulse of how we the great unwashed are feeling about rally
>or anything else.

It's Sunday morning. I had a good wash yesterday. (Saturday from saturnus in the Latin, but in the germanic languages cf Swedish
(you do drive a Swedish car, well sorta drive) for Saturday:
Lördag from the germanic Laur for wash, and dag for day is obviously closer even than the German tag.)


You and I in particular, as we have this
>'tone' about our posts (and perhaps it is just how we are?)
>that seems to offend certain amongst us. Lord knows that we
>cannot EVER risk offending anyone.

As my dear and cherished employer Chuck Scheible at "The Third Moto" in Olympia used to say, and poit to the sticker on his toolbox when people were too dense to see the humor or irony in situations:
"F**k 'em if they can't take a joke"



In particular that
>individual who has done such fabulous stupendous amazing
>wonderful things for rallying here in the USA. Why just
>think John......

Well that's the problem with people who strive so mightily to maintan a pretense of propriety, and get all huffy if I might speak as we all do to eachother, and who forget that ACTIONS also coney meaning and intent which when a trend is seen, can be discerned fairly clearly.
Especially when it is simplisticly clear, coarse, and stupid, and consistant as has been the steady stream of sludge running downhill from Denver since the last few years.



Just a few years ago I had dreams of doing
>the National Series with my Volvo.

Didn't you read the thing "der Spitzner" wrote to you back when He decided that the press really didn't want to talk to you at the Press Stage at Shelton a few years back.
Obviously you didn't send your plans to him first as he said you should so that he could "detirmine(if you were one of ) those with legitimate" promotional needs.
Obviously, you weren't worthy.

Try saying it, (bowing and averting the eyes is optional, bur reccomended): WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY!


No more. But it is
>clearly all for the best, as now we can have a LOT more fun
>in CLUBBIN' RALLY, where the prize money is exactly the
>same. For those of you who are a little thick; my post is
>written with tongue firmly planted in cheek,

Better your tounge in cheek than what you've gotten from Denver in your cheeks.



and the only
>person that I offer apologies to would have to be Paul
>Timmerman, as I have a pretty good idea that I have bored
>him again. All my love, JohnLane :*





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>Paul Timmerman already nominated me "King Trevor". Kinda
>like the title but don't know if it does anything for me.
>King of what? Don't even go there Mr Lane.

King Trevor it is!!
 

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Oh John......give it a day or two or a week......something is coming down as we speak. You may get your wish. No comment right now.
 

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>Oh John......give it a day or two or a week......something
>is coming down as we speak. You may get your wish. No
>comment right now.
Oh come on, a hint? can you nod if I guess right, that way you won't be saying anything, just acknowledging what is stated, nod if you agree? Errr. Unmmmm, this may not work.

"a nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse"




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Kurt Spitzner!! Any answer?? STILL WAITING!!!

What are the points being investigated?
Will the relevent documents be available for review, if not why not?
What is the proposed action to reapply appropriate penalties? DQ? Zimmer was DQ on less publicly observed grounds?

What was the exact nature of the penatlies being lifted?
Document?
What will be done to prevent future subversions, perversions, and reversions of the rule book by SCCA Officials?

Oh, Kurt, any truth to the allegation that you signed Doc Scrader's name to the document lifting the penalties at WW as has been alledged?
Your credibility is being called into question by more than just me, Kurt.
We await your response.





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RE: Maybe Kurtie has a Bi-Polar disorder.

>"a nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse"

wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more...
 

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>>"a nod's as good as a wink to a blind horse"
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>wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more...

Your Wife...is she a SPORT? She likes games eh??
 
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