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Here are a bunch of pictures of rally cars where there isn't a class designation sticker on the side, from all over the world, and some go back into history as well.

Seems like there's rallies all over the world where they don't require class identification.

As far as I can tell, the only argument FOR having them is "for the spectators". The problem there is people don't read the cars when they go by. The reply is then "well, at Parc Expose they see them." Sure. But wandering around Parc Expose, there's no one to _explain_ the classes.

I think the Parc Expose problem might be better solved by having more Hero Cards on the tops of the cars where you would be able to actually explain what's going on.

They're required by American bodies, and I think Canada too, but do we really need them? Seems like it's something that's snuck in that maybe we don't need?

I'm not convinced one way or the other. Surely someone has an overly strong opinion. *devil* Convince me. :)

Anders


You need to cut and paste these. There wasn't an easy way to make them links without filling this thread with images.
http://www.greenergy.com/images/motorsport/library/globalpetrol.jpg
http://zhome.com/picturelibrary/L_Castrol_rally_240Z-1.jpg
http://www.computing.dcu.ie/computety/2005/jstore-cty/rally car4.jpg
http://www.777life.com/photos/vehicles2/TommiHanhikoski_RallyCar138.jpg
http://www.tr6.org/images/TR8_-_Rally_Car.JPG
http://www.marblesoft.com/racing/images/dodge1.jpg
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/team/images/gallery/roc0201.jpg
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/team/images/mrtwrx/roc2000-04.jpg
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/team/images/gallery/melb9801.jpg
http://www.ukstudentlife.com/Life/Sport/Motor/RallyCar.jpg
http://www.ianhardy.net/albums/rally_of_wales_2004/IMG_0630.jpg
http://www.camsport.co.uk/gifs/events/geoff.jpg
http://www.everybodysmile.biz/tonylargephotographic/motos/22140/mewla05_car008a.jpg
 

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>They're required by American bodies, and I think Canada too,
>but do we really need them?

Class ID stickers aren't used in Canada.

Jeff

Edit: ... in rallying. There are plenty of road racing sanctioning bodies that do use them.

As a side note, in Ontario, the Touring/GT Championship cars (higher-level regional road racers) actually run different windshield banners for each class.

But no, we probably don't need them. I think if you're out there in the spectator area with your stopwatch keeping track of the class battles, you're probably on the ball enough to know who's in which class without a sticker on the car.
 

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Why not ???

We solved all the rally problems in the US and this is the last one, is that it ?

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Don't know for sure, but I would guess that it came from the road racing side of SCCA, where class designations also appear on cars. The need there should be obvious. Multiple classes often race side by side and sometimes the car number is only unique within the class.

Since I have often rallied in places where I don't know everyone competing (or what class they run in), I have found the class designation on the car useful for figuring out who the competition is.

At Rim, I was running in a Group N car, but we were not running in the USRC national rally, just the CRS regional rallies. The regional rally ran CRS classes, which does not include Group N (we ran in Open 4WD). The scrutineers actually insisted that we remove or hide the Group N class designation on the car. I thought that was kind of silly.

The class designation is included in the ID package from RA, so I am not sure why anyone would care that they had to run it. Technically, it is within the "protected" (sanctioning body and event organizer reserved) space, so it is not like you can put sponsor ads there.

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M.Samli said:
>We solved all the rally problems in the US and this
>is the last one, is that it ?

Oh, come on now, that isn't helping us get anything done. :) If we were restricted to working on the biggest problem first, the whole sport would have ground to a halt years ago.


Alan said:
>The scrutineers
>actually insisted that we remove or hide the Group N class
>designation on the car. I thought that was kind of silly.

That _does_ sound silly.

Alan said:
>The class designation is included in the ID package from RA,
>so I am not sure why anyone would care that they had to run it.

Yes, it's included there, but one is still paying for it. I'm thinking more to the NASA side of things, where the competitor supplies them. And further to the competitor that runs a variety of events from different bodies: if no one required them it would be one less thing to bother with.

The idea that it came from SCCA road racing make a lot of sense. Such ID would be useful with 30 cars on a track at once. If one is passing another, you could tell at a glance what class they were in. But with rally you'll only see (as a spectator) one car every minute, which would be plenty of time to figure out what is going on. It seems that Canada (where they don't have class IDs) has a bunch more spectators, so I have difficulty with the "the spectators need them" idea.

Hmmmm. *thinking*

Anders
 

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As a semi-educated spectator and worker I need them. I would have no idea that I should be impressed with a PGT subaru runing in the top few cars, if not for the little stickers. I would just assume it was open class.

Same when I compete, it's nice to know who you are competing against without referencing the start list...

This is an awful trivial thing to didscuss, I have missed any real advantage to not having the designators -- how does it make the sport better?

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Although they have no meaning to me as a spectator or a competitor, I don't mind displaying them on my car if they're already supplied by the organizer with the door numbers.
 
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