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I keep ending up with one of these little cars every now and then. Thats a good thing I would say :)

Wow ,, Just came across a nice 71.. Still has the Calif smog.. And still has the vinyl top.

I was just wanting to know

How close mechanicly are the Capri and a Escort?

If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK. Why is a Capri made in Germany?

What rear end is in a Capri?

Any one got any info on the V8 Capri they rally in Australia?

Thanks

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> How close mechanicly are the Capri and a Escort?

The wheelbase is different.

> If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK. Why
>is a Capri made in Germany?

All US-bound Capris were built in Germany. Many Capris were built in the UK, however. (We just never got'em) It was probably a cost saving gesture, make the US-spec Capris in a country that is also left hand drive.

Looking at some historical stuff, I see lots of neat things like V4 Capris and 3-liter Capris that were UK-only production.
 

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The front suspension is very similar.

My advice would be to buy one with a 2000cc engine; or fit a V8.

The V8 Capri conversions were "Perana" Capris, built in Sth Africa.
http://www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au/other_sales/parana_v8_capri

Most parts are easy to get.

The rear ends are the Atlas axle, though the "English" axle was fitted to some of the earlier 4 cyl cars. (not sure what the US cars gets). If the diff has a bolt on rear cover, then it is prob an Atlas.

Of course, the Escort is a much better rally car.
 

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>I keep ending up with one of these little cars every now and
>then. Thats a good thing I would say :)
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> Wow ,, Just came across a nice 71.. Still has the Calif
>smog.. And still has the vinyl top.
What motor Dave?
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> I was just wanting to know
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> How close mechanicly are the Capri and a Escort?
Tons of junk is direct interchange but there are some unimportant differences in the STOCK suspension set=ups.
No important on a car getting prepped, as that would be built to the same spec regardless.
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> If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK. Why
>is a Capri made in Germany?

They were really made in Genk in Belgium.
Probably because there is MUCH MUCH better bear in Beligium than the weak ass mouse piss brewed in Cologne.
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> What rear end is in a Capri?
US 1600s got the so called "English" axle built by GKN
2000 OHC, the 2600 V6, 2300 OHC and 2800 V6 got Ford's own atlas axle
You can see some piccies of it at www.f4.ca look for Capri or Atlas in the titles, you can also see the normal way to do what Ford folks call the "Gp4 5 link set up" which EVERYBODY rwd did, and even using Ford Atlas axles.
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> Any one got any info on the V8 Capri they rally in
>Australia?
Come on the car is kinda flimsey to be shoving a 500lbs thing in the front, try something in the 220 lbs range and move it back.

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> How close mechanicly are the Capri and a Escort?

The wheelbase is different.
Yeah, 100.5" for the Capri, and around 95.5 for the Exsquirt

> If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK. Why
>is a Capri made in Germany?

All US-bound Capris were built in Germany. Many Capris were built in the UK, however. (We just never got'em) It was probably a cost saving gesture, make the US-spec Capris in a country that is also left hand drive.

Looking at some historical stuff, I see lots of neat things like V4 Capris and 3-liter Capris that were UK-only production.
The UK produced "Essex" V6 in 2500 and 3000cc, and it's cousin the
V4 1750 and 2000 where all big gross POS lumpy POSs.
For some reason many English love the 3000 V6, but roll around on the floor like they took a 7,62mm slug in the gut if you even mention the other motors, especially the V4.
The list of deficientcies of the "Essex" motors is too sordid and woeful to tell.
Thank goodness we didn't get them, they were heavier, less reliable and thirstier, and made less power than the Cologne built distant cousins the 1500 and 1700 V4 and the V6 in 2000, 2300, 2600, and 2800.

In Bob Olsen's Capri project I showed him we could do a 1mm overbore in a 2900 V6 (the next cousin) block to make it a 2993cc 11.0:1 compression Gp2 legal motor since it is push-rods and gets the silly 0.8 multiplier.
In the end I suggested that the things still weighed a ton, and would cost 50% more to do since there were 2 more pistons, a whole bunch more valves etc and more ports to port, and then there would be the expensive proposition of getting some air and fuel in to justify the weight and expense since there aren't any worthwhile manifolds.
In the end e opted for the period "sorta correct" Ford 4 cylinder inline 16 2000cc motor and simpole carbs.
Should be load of fun saving hundreds of pounds and moving back what is there.



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Thanks guys .. Just looking for info.. Not going to rally or even keep this car.. Wish I could..

Do not have time to rally the race cars I have x( .. Damn motorcycle roadracing eating up the rally money. LOL..

Yes JV .. I have been keeping an eye on the work you have been doing up there on the Capri .. Give me some credit ;-) ,, my freind. The car looks great your working on. It would be cool to 'see' the Ford paper work .. And what thay did to the Escort..

On the V8 and Parana .. Just wanting the info .. A V8 would take some of the sport out of it . I would also say 4 cly would be the way to go for me too.. Never knew of a V4?

I would think this car is 'to' nice to cut up ,for me any how .. It would look cool on some big tramac tires, OZ wheels and the vinyl top }( .. Not that it could 'work' the tires up ,with the horse power the 1600 motor has. Up hill that is.

But any thangs fast falling down hill ..I've got big hill to dive this old girl off. No V8 needed. I "think" the Parana has done good in rally .. So the whole 'V8 thing'is not that far out there.

A Parana would be a good recce car :9 ..

Anyone got the number to the guy thats got all the Capri parts stashed? He's on here from time to time..

Mr JV ,, You have a 'stock' rack some were in the lab up north ? Any stock parts you "cut" off that Capri around? The pass wheel is doing the 'shopping cart' thing.. I need a 'inner' pass rack ended. The inner tierods are part of the rack?? Right. Anyone got parts?

How would I know my Atlas from a hole in the ground? JV the axle in the car your doing and the onces in the pics are a Atlas ? I need to do a rear axle bearing and want to know what axle I have.. Thanks

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> If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK. Why
>is a Capri made in Germany?

The Capri was one up from the Escort, the Ford Sierra / Merkur XR4Ti of its day, with a similar reputation for boy racers.

>The list of deficientcies of the "Essex" motors is too sordid and >woeful to tell.

Yeah, we Brits don't exactly have a history of quality when it comes to mass production cars.

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>> If a Capri is a Escort. And a Escort is made in the UK.
>Why
>>is a Capri made in Germany?
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>The Capri was one up from the Escort, the Ford Sierra / Merkur
>XR4Ti of its day, with a similar reputation for boy racers.
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>>The list of deficientcies of the "Essex" motors is too sordid
>and >woeful to tell.
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>Yeah, we Brits don't exactly have a history of quality when it
>comes to mass production cars.

re: Essex V6
Well at least you can say
"if i twern't good, atleast th' bugger was heavy"

and it wer popular enough for somebody to cast a manifold for 3 times Weber DCNF carbies.
Then the thing COULD make some yank!
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Dave send me a note and I'll forward you some info.
TRW might have "inner socket assemblies", the track rod and its inner pivot.

You might be able to service the inner assembly to reduce slop.
The rack is a "Cam Gears" rack I believe made up in Luton in Beds, and at least on the Saab rack from them of the same general generation you could service the inner socket, have a look.
(I recall drilling out a roll pin, backing off a round jam nut with slip jaw pliers, rotating the tie rod socket asemble moving the jam nut up and drilling the hole and tapping in a new roll pin.)
peel back the boot and have a peek.






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> Yes JV .. I have been keeping an eye on the work you have
>been doing up there on the Capri .. Give me some credit ;-) ,,
>my freind. The car looks great your working on. It would be
>cool to 'see' the Ford paper work .. And what thay did to the
>Escort..
It's pretty extensive what real prep was back then.
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> On > I would think this car is 'to' nice to cut up ,for me any how
>.. It would look cool on some big tramac tires, OZ wheels and
>the vinyl top }( .. Not that it could 'work' the tires up
>,with the horse power the 1600 motor has. Up hill that is.
Sure its a 1600? Is it pushrod or OHC.
US Capris got the 1600 pushrod "Kent" engine which can be made to go real good.
The ex Belgian reg Ford carpi Bob found was a 1600 OHC thing with a trillion miles, 80% blow-by and a hideous automatic, slowest car I have driven in 25+ years!!!
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> > Mr JV ,, You have a 'stock' rack some were in the lab up
>north ? Any stock parts you "cut" off that Capri around? The
>pass wheel is doing the 'shopping cart' thing.. I need a
>'inner' pass rack ended. The inner tierods are part of the
>rack?? Right. Anyone got parts?

See below or above note.
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> How would I know my Atlas from a hole in the ground? JV the
>axle in the car your doing and the onces in the pics are a
>Atlas ? I need to do a rear axle bearing and want to know what
>axle I have.. Thanks
Yeah the one in the piccies is an Atlas.
Pull the axle, it'll be some boring bearing a bearing house will have on the shelf.

Here's a V4 I'm building for a customer and in the background is a high comp +1mm 2900 that's 2993cc which is the very reason I think the outdated Gp2 rules need to be revised to something like the much better Gp222 or GpF rules:
Think of a 2100 lb car with a 190 bhp and torquey 11:1 3.0 motor which will rev past 7000 easily competeing against 2450 lb 1800 Golves
with maybe 9.2 compression.
It fair!!
The V4 was done on the same production line and jigs and fixtures as the V6, the V6 is just a little longer. in fact if you turn the motors over and look at the position of the crank in the V6 relative to the pan rails, you'll see that it ain't on center, it's offset just the exact amount the V4 is cause the V4 has a counter-rotating balance shaft on the passenger side.
But the share all the individual parts like rod, main , cam, bearings oil pump, rods, lifters, rocker arms, springs, some models even shared the same pistons (V4 1,7 and V6 2,6).

In USA you'll only see the V4 in Saab 96s from 1967 thru end of '73.
The rest of the world got them in a big variety of Fords and Saab used the 1,5 like in the piccie here all the way to the end of Saab 96 production in Feb 1980 (although they homologated the 1,7 version and bore those +3mm to make them 1815cc and even did a short run of steel sroker cranks to make them a full 2,0 (and 10 at normal stroke in steel, the stroker cranks were "allegedly" for rallycross which was very loose in the 70s) and blatantly cheated since they knew nobody would ever protest a poxy pushrod V4. I have had my hands on one of these cranks and I stay with their cheif engine builder when I'm in Sweden, this ain't old mythology. And noibody ever did protest them!)
[http://www.jvab.f4.ca/RutherfordV4a.jpg]
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> Captain Gear Box
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> Hazardous Toys inc
Hey Dave, you still have those dead Xratties on your lot?
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>The V4 was done on the same production line and jigs and
>fixtures as the V6, the V6 is just a little longer. in fact if
>you turn the motors over and look at the position of the crank
>in the V6 relative to the pan rails, you'll see that it ain't
>on center, it's offset just the exact amount the V4 is cause
>the V4 has a counter-rotating balance shaft on the passenger
>side.

It gets better than that!

You are probably aware that this engine family is still alive in 4 liter size, in both pushrod and SOHC design. The SOHC has a balance shaft again - but only in the 4wd trucks! 2wd's don't have the balance shaft. And funny thing, you can put the 4wd engine in a 2wd no problem, but put the 2wd engine in a 4wd and you get hellacious vibration. Go figure that one out!

Real POS the SOHC - it uses the same head on both banks, the right bank's can chain is on the back of the engine! And if you unbolt the heads without first unbolting the mains brace, you distort the block and it becomes Scrap Metal. Any time we see one of the SOHCs that needs a cylinder head off, we just sell them a remanufactured engine, as it is actually cheaper. After all the engine will have to come out ANYWAY. But it made almost the same HP as the 5.0l also available in the trucks and with the high stall speed torque converter (I think it could flash up to 4000rpm?) and the 5-speed automatic they could scoot along *very* nicely, and you almost couldn't tell you didn't have the V8.
 

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Thanks guys you allways know just were to look for the died bodys.:p

I keep tripping over these little cars once or three time a year. And there always a pervert who needs a victim. Out there needing one. There fun. My wife realy likes the way they drive . I can see why there so much love for the Escort.

This cars for sale if anyone needs it. JV you have any stock strut mounts and a carb? For a 71 1600 4 speed. ?

I will say, my time in the saddle of a Capri. They 'work' very well. Got to mod one for a customer for roadracing some time back. I thrashed that one over my tarmac stage thats in my backyard. Very hard car to get 'uppset'. I've tryed,,LOL.

Is the ford truck motors 4.0, 2.9, and 2.8 . In the same family as the V6 Capri??

And JV on "died Xratties in the lot.. Xrats come and go. }( . I'm in the land of NO rust, remember. This is a big collage town . And theres has been a flight school in town for some time. And I'm the only one who can make one run . In my neck of the woods. JV you need any no rust Xrats . You look me up. I'm swiming in Xrats too. LOL.

Been trying to get to this Team Blitz guy and no return on my e-mail.. Anyone ever deal with these's guys?

Thanks

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> I keep tripping over these little cars once or three time a
>year. And there always a pervert who needs a victim. Out there
>needing one. There fun. My wife realy likes the way they drive
>. I can see why there so much love for the Escort.

I really want to try one, but the last time I even saw one was about ten years ago.

> Is the ford truck motors 4.0, 2.9, and 2.8 . In the same
>family as the V6 Capri??

Yes indeed. The 4.0 has a taller deck height, and I think the 2.9 as well. IIRC the 4.0 is also the new base Mustang engine, in addition to doing duty in Ford's Ranger and Explorer trucks.

> Been trying to get to this Team Blitz guy and no return on my
>e-mail.. Anyone ever deal with these's guys?

I'd heard of them, and was shocked to learn that they're in my very own state only a couple hours away. I keep getting tempted to go down there in search of Capri, but buying cars from or through a specialist tends to be pricey.
 

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>> I keep tripping over these little cars once or three time
>a
>>year. And there always a pervert who needs a victim. Out
>there
>>needing one. There fun. My wife realy likes the way they
>drive
>>. I can see why there so much love for the Escort.
>
>I really want to try one, but the last time I even saw one was
>about ten years ago.

Go to the land of No-Rust!!!
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>> Is the ford truck motors 4.0, 2.9, and 2.8 . In the same
>>family as the V6 Capri??
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>Yes indeed. The 4.0 has a taller deck height, and I think the
>2.9 as well.
No 2.9 is still the good old 205.33mm as ever.
And bear in mind if one wanted to EXPLOIT the ABSURD Gp2 rules that some sleazy weasels lobbied thru way-back-when 1mm overbore gives you 2993cc which is about as close as 3 liter max for a (o.8 coeff) pushrod motor can be and still be in there with poxy wheeeeezing little VeeWeeeiners.



IIRC the 4.0 is also the new base Mustang
>engine, in addition to doing duty in Ford's Ranger and
>Explorer trucks.

They ARE heavy!!!
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>> Been trying to get to this Team Blitz guy and no return on
>my
>>e-mail.. Anyone ever deal with these's guys?

He'll get to you eventually............
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>I'd heard of them, and was shocked to learn that they're in my
>very own state only a couple hours away. I keep getting
>tempted to go down there in search of Capri, but buying cars
>from or through a specialist tends to be pricey.
Yep.

That's the thing, you only really need panels and glass tho, the rest is still available as Ford UK stuff and motors are motors, trannies trannies, and JVAB makes nice suspension for them, so it mostly getting one to build, and one to dis member.

(that's sorta why I push the Capri's decendant the X-you know whatti, easier to find the second shell, but as easy to work on---by design)


Hey Dave WHAT CARB?????? Piccie?? read whats stamped at the base!
Then email to the addy in the siddy or call 206 431 9696 after the 6th.
I probably do have a carb.






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JV..... Will give you a call ,,Soon ... A carb would be very helpful. Your to kind . And any "setup" info on "anything" would be way cool too ... I mite suprise you and even know how to use it.

P Remner..... I think you should go see Team Blitz ,, Thats a good idea .. And could you get me some parts ,,Please .. That your there any how :9 ..I wish they would get back to me. So I can fly my new toy .. I'm gutted. And they will,, I know..

Look me up if you think you need a Capri .There still running around my part of the world. This cars very nice car. If anyone needs one ..Restore or rally it..

A got to see this SOHC motor..Sounds scary.

Have a good day

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