Special Stage Forums banner

1 - 20 of 55 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
74 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
The last line of Erics new post brings up a question I had eluded to earlier. The vast majority of the two wheel drive classes are front wheel drive cars. This is, I guess, because thats what the manufactures have available to buy. Where I am going with this is... The FWD cars are great but are typically only sideways when you are really starting to push. The awd turbo cars are sideways at will (and I think thats why some peole make the change)but "generally" cost more all around to operate. There has been a new trend with going back to the RWD platforms but nothing that great for rally. The RWD rally cars that are around are very sideways and it looks like alot of fun. ALOT! So whats the best car to have the most fun in. A Honda S2000 would fit right into G2 but the roof is an issue. What else would be close in weight and power and actually have some performance parts available? Sorry if this seems jumbled.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,570 Posts
Ovlov 240 and Xrattie .... cheep as sheet and development path / parts available through JVL enterprises. Though a warmed up engine would probably be closer to 200 hp, rather than the 240 of the S2000. Nothing a close ratio box, diff, and short final drive ratio couldn't take care of though.

Or get a Toyota Starlet and put a hot Toyota twin cam in.

HTH.


=============================================================================

Web site : www.SoCalRally.com
Sponsors : www.VwSpecialties.com www.Parts4VWs.com

Rally - I don't need no stinkin' epi pen to get my adrenalin rush !!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
464 Posts
How about an early 90s legacy with an EJ25 plunked in? Oh, take out the front two driveshafts becasue 2WD is cheaper than AWD..

AWD legacies are more or less as cheap as any 2wd car out there and they are basically WRXs without the engine. Engines are all over the place for cheap. My 250ish hp EJ20 was 700 CDN.

Then there are the race ported 13B mazdas.... a specish low-cost RX7 rally class would be entertainment. ESPECIALLY when people start driving them fast .
 

·
I have a cat.
Joined
·
3,676 Posts
Dude, check out Colin McCleery's ride. Nice package. Not much heavier than stock. V8 TORK! IRS. Cars are cheap. So are Mustang engines to put in it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,368 Posts
For Group 2, a 2.4L Porsche 911...but just as expensive as an AWD car.

If cost were no object, I'd start building (another) one tomorrow.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
74 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Whats Colin McCleery got and who is he? Sorry Colin! By the way I am hoping to build a car that is based on something fairly new.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
Colin McCleery (car 555) stuck a 5.0 into his Merkur XR4Ti. Changed the transmission to a T-5 but the rest of the drivetrain is stock. Fits well, just had to go to an electric fan. Plans to upgrade the brakes but figured out a deal using Cosworth and Contour parts. Weight balance is nearly the same and overall weight is up slightly but the horsepower jumped significantly to offset this. Cheap fun since it's easy on parts and uses pump gas.

2.3 engine : 2960 lbs, f/r balance 52%/48%
5.0 engine : 3093 lbs, f/r balance 53%/47%

Weight is up 4.5%. Horsepower is up 57%.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
49 Posts
Well,
This may be irrelevant now, but from my understanding of the rules you could run a RX8 in G2 if you ran Rally America. Heck, with some basic mods, the RX8 would be a contender for any 2wd class.
 

·
400 flat to crest
Joined
·
5,777 Posts
Trying to do EVERYTHING, including the nail in the coffin
-->>>NEWISH<<<------ ain't happening anytime soon.
Forget newish.
Who cares?
Now I know you're where rust is a way of life and trying to find a rust free anything more than 5-6 years old in a 2000 mile radiius of Chemlsfud is a pointless, or seemingly near pointless thing.
So get ready to tow, it's cheaper than rust repair!

And although I may have rallied only fwd and a really well prepped light, fast and durable fwd with really excellent gearing (5.45:1 in a 2015 lb car with between 130 bhp in the early 80s to 165ish in the late 80s to a bit less in the mid 90s and now about 185) to some decent results, all that means NOTHING cause now
I AM A CO-DRIVER, and have done TWO events so it means NOW I know everything!

So listen to me: RWD is funner than sheeeeet.
We drove a 160,000 mil Toyota Corolla GTS stock save some cheey headers and some good suspension and LOOooooooooooooooooong upper and lower links for the rear axle and it was "turreted" more or less just like a MkII Escort and IT WORKED GREAT.

WE BOTH WERE HOWLING WITH LAUGHTER and actually Yeeeeeeeeeew hawing it up on the stages.

As you wisely pointed out, fwd WHEN DRIVEN HARD a well prepped one is fun and gets sideways nicely.

A 20 year old GTS, or Volvo or Xratty is just flat more fun period.

The thing that the bigger cars have is they don't HAVE to be poifect to GO LIKE HELL, they have the cc to scoot thru the gears in a way the poor STOCK GEARED GTS doesn't. It was a bit frustrating on some of the uphills to know that the fact the thing wouldn't rapp all the wway out in 3rd, much less 4th meant somewhere a possibly nearly nodding off WRX driver was roosting up the hill and eating us allive WITHOUT ANY EFFORT.

You might score a Toyota but there's a gazzillion clone-boys buying up everything AE86 related for stupid money. My driver Adam got his 2 beaters for about $150 total, pre Drift mania.
Xrtatties and Volvos are for free. Go by Holland's on Treble Cove Road and see how many 240s they have. Last I was there it was about 20.


John Vanlandingham
Seattle, WA.
www.jvab.f4.ca

janvanvurpa(at)f4(dot) ca

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat!
Vive Le Groupe F!
Rally Anarchy Rallyist BBS
- http://www.rallyanarchy.com/
 

·
eating dust taking photos
Joined
·
3,740 Posts
Nissan 240sx? Have to be smaller than, well, me, but it may be possible. The ratios are ok, the diffs are good, there are a variety of suspension options, an array of motors that are either cheap, powerful, abundant, or all 3.



I still think a 350z rally car would be cool but aggrivating to build (someone has to be a pioneer eh?). Plus they are porky, the unibody isn't very stiff, and it would be tight with the cage....

RX8 would work...

Newer mustang :/ a Hurst-ang for the new millenium??


I already pointed out the GTO..
 

·
I have a cat.
Joined
·
3,676 Posts
Here ya go. Buy a caged and seamwelded shell from Ford Motorsport. I'll get ya the part number if you want:

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_07_z.jpg

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_08_z.jpg

Here's the shocker and brakes on the Grand Am version. Rally version may vary: (note nice seam welding on all these pictures)

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_17_z.jpg

Six speed T56 racing trans...just another Frod part number:

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_19_z.jpg

Full assortment of crate engines available, but you can come up with a decent Frod V8!

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_27_z.jpg

I bet your last cage installation didn't have this kind of ISO quality control:

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_26_z.jpg

And lookee here...a LEGAL for rally fuel cell installation/bulkhead:

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_23_z.jpg

I can see it shooting rooster tails now, can't you?

http://mustang50magazine.com/featuredvehicles/m5lp_0604_fr500c_28_z.jpg
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
342 Posts
I have no idea if anyone has looked into it seriously or not but how about...

Mazda RX8.

I assume the major challenge would be suspension and the overall price of the cars.

-matt h.
 

·
I have a cat.
Joined
·
3,676 Posts
If someone wants to build one from new, I should be able to get them employee pricing on one thru Mazdaspeed. I'd think a salvage car would be more economical, though.

Are rotaries allowed in G2 now?

Engine just has to come from same manufacturer, right?

Seen this? Don't let the shape fool you. This one's fibre on a tube frame.

and....a 3 rotor engine mounted to a rear Emco transaxle. mmmmmm.

http://www.speedsourceinc.com/client_images/albums/1290_17.jpg

"The 20B three-rotor engine is the cornerstone of Mazda's Grand Am GT RX-8 program. With its compact size and light weight, the rotary engine brings with it a vast history in sprint and endurance racing. Revving to over 9,000 rpm, the 20B rotary engine will sound quite unlike any other engine on the grid."

I can't wait to hear this thing.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
706 Posts
That's fn beautiful Eric... so, how much? Maybe I'll win the lottery.

When defining "best", obviously most replies are geared towards either, or both of, potential for overall results and for driver fun.

However there is also the matter of what's most fun for spectators, live and on TV. For rally to grow it has to be exciting to watch, to get people excited, and I think there's no comparison to RWD.

Skye

____________________
F4 Rallysport - http://www.rallyrace.net/
Rally Anarchy Rallyist BBS - http://www.rallyanarchy.com/
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
74 Posts
Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Eric, how much do you think one of them stangs would cost given a middle of the road motor and what not. Also what do you think it would weigh? Most of the cars we are talking about would be over 3000#. I would like something below 2500#. I know the stang aint making that! A big motor will move the weight but it will not help it turn or stop. Look at the swift I ran. I think the light weight helps. The only thing that car would not do was actually GO! Maybe I should petition RA about an S2000 hardtop.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
74 Posts
Discussion Starter · #18 ·
Eric, price me up one of them there rustangs with the biggest motor that Mike and JB will let me run. Nascar here we come! You've got to admit that a stang' may create a little bit of a buzz. Us americans do love our muscle cars. Yee Haa... but really, get me a price.
 
1 - 20 of 55 Posts
Top