[MDBodnar]

In the current series: ProRally, ClubRally, WSRC, & CNAR you can win a championship just by entering and finishing. I see a problem with awarding points and "championships" without actually beating anyone.

To correct this situations I would like to see each class require a minimum number of entrants in an event to award points for that event.


My suggestion is a scaled points paying system:

Points would be awarded in a class if there are x number of entrants at that event, points would only be paid to the number of entrants minus 2.

3 Starters (start under their own power) points for 1st place only, 4 entrants = 1st & 2nd (starting and finishing points could still be awarded despite number of entrants):

# of Entrants = Positions paid:
3 = 1
4 = 2
5 = 3
6 = 4
7 = 5 etc.


This would garuntee a championship was earned, and the class is viable (and might eliminate the need for the SCCA 5 event minimum to be "in the records").

For points paying purposes if there were not enough entrants in your class, you could opt to earn points in the nxet higher class: not enough P cars, choose to run G2.

At national events (with associated club events), if a class did not have enough entrants in the national or club the organizers could opt to move the field to one event or the other for year end points. (Let entrants choose national or club on their entry form and then move the smaller group together with the bigger group.)

This point system is aimed at year end championships only, I am sure there is a flaw or two in this proposal so I look forward to seeing different views.

Mike

 

[Foghorn]

In a similar vein to Mike's concept, in some of the yearly sailing championships we compete in the points per event are awarded based upon the number of entrants in each event. In other words in a race where there are 10 in your class you earn more points for winning than you do in a race in which there are only five in your class. Therefore, as Mike points out, no freebies. I don't recall the exact points values off hand but could look them up if anyone wants to know.

Kent Gardam

 

[Trevor Donison]

>
>In the current series: ProRally, ClubRally, WSRC, & CNAR you
>can win a championship just by entering and finishing. I
>see a problem with awarding points and "championships"
>without actually beating anyone.
>
>To correct this situations I would like to see each class
>require a minimum number of entrants in an event to award
>points for that event.
>
>
>My suggestion is a scaled points paying system:
>
>Points would be awarded in a class if there are x number of
>entrants at that event, points would only be paid to the
>number of entrants minus 2.
>
>3 Starters (start under their own power) points for 1st
>place only, 4 entrants = 1st & 2nd (starting and finishing
>points could still be awarded despite number of entrants):
>
># of Entrants = Positions paid:
>3 = 1
>4 = 2
>5 = 3
>6 = 4
>7 = 5 etc.
>
>
>This would garuntee a championship was earned, and the class
>is viable (and might eliminate the need for the SCCA 5 event
>minimum to be "in the records").
>
>For points paying purposes if there were not enough entrants
>in your class, you could opt to earn points in the nxet
>higher class: not enough P cars, choose to run G2.
>
>At national events (with associated club events), if a class
>did not have enough entrants in the national or club the
>organizers could opt to move the field to one event or the
>other for year end points. (Let entrants choose national or
>club on their entry form and then move the smaller group
>together with the bigger group.)
>
>This point system is aimed at year end championships only, I
>am sure there is a flaw or two in this proposal so I look
>forward to seeing different views.
>
>Mike

Simplest system yet. Count number of wins, most wins, wins championship. If tied, then count most 2nd places... Um I don't know that I can jump on this bandwagon.

Its more likely that the fast guys that win events, LOST championships by DNF'ing and allowed the consistent finisher to win a championship. If the rabbits finish every event, then consistent finisher doesn't have a chance if he doesn't go faster.

If we "force" 2wd production cars into G2 because of participation, then you have just killed 2wd Production. And I think given the right marketing, that Clubrally 2wd Production could be an easy class for the low buck "Have to build my first car" competitors.

Bottom line is tha rallying is a sport of attrition. If I go flat out every mile of every stage, I may crash. But that is my choice. If I choose to anticipate that the rabbit will DNF a couple of times, then it might be in my best interest to consistently finish high, 5 finishes would beat 1 win and 4 dnf's.

As long as a points system allows you to drop an event or two (and all but ProRally do), you will have to finish top 2 a couple of times or you won't win a championship.

Main problem is ProRally has too many classes. Pare it down to Open, GN, G2 and 2wd Prod and class participation will be enough to ensure competition at every event.

 

[Widget Codriver]

The biggest problem with this approach is that someone else controls your results. If Joe goes to the effort to show up at an event and Paul skips it, Paul has just controlled Joe's championship.

Another example:

John trails the championship by one point behind Harry with one event remaining. John and one other guy shows up at the last event. Harry has two choices: stay at home and clinch the title or compete and possible get beat.

The road racing guys had this discussion a few years back. We'd like a win to mean something (as in you gotta beat somebody--one of the original Widgets told me that) but you can't make someone else spend money, travel, etc to get them to compete in your class.

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John Dillon      
John @ WidgetRacing.com
www.WidgetRacing.com

 

[DaveHintz]

Mike, I like the fact that your method would not have cost Rick & I any of our wins this year (there were at least three G5 class entries in every Pro event we attended)!

I think the best solution is to scale points somehow based on the finishing position relative to the entire group of finishers.

For example, if you win your class and you finish in the top third of the overall finishers, you get maximum points regardless of the number of entries in your class for that event.
Hey, if you drive a really good event, but nobody else shows up, you should be rewarded far more than the no shows in your class (fortunately I've never been stood up by everyone else, but it could happen)!

If you win your class and end-up in the middle third of the overall finishers (but there weren't other entrants in your class) then you only score 70% of the usual points for winning the class.

If you win your class but end-up in the bottom third of the finishers (but there weren't other entrants in your class) then you only score 50% of the usual points for winning the class.

Okay, that's the general idea. You could play with different percentages or whatever.
Dave
Car # 207