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www.arcticrally.fi starts this weekend.
- The best Big Name field ever?
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- 2 World F1 champions (Keke Rosberg and hakkinen)
- 3 F1 drivers (Hakkinen, Rosberg and JJ Lehto)
- 11 real WRC cars ( 3 x $ 1 000 000/each, rest $ 500 000/each)... and they say it's recession in Finland!
PS. Finns are 50/50% who'll be faster; Hakkinen in a $ 1 000 000 WRC EVO2 or JJ Lehto in a $ 150 000 Mitsu EVO GrN. JJ Lehto was leading GrN last year before stuffing it. I think he'll beat Hakkinen...
 

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Wow, and some people have led us to believe that Scandinavia was the land of the grassroots rally, where costs have not gotten out of hand. It seems that maybe the US is the land of "cheap" rallying after all
 

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- Don't worry, Morgan...
- In Finland and Sweden there's 4-8 rallies a month, 150-200+ entries per rally (sometimes 40+ on the waiting list if roads can "only" handle 200 cars...). And they can handle timing no matter how many they get.
- National 2WD class has always been the most popular and most watched class; High HP 2WD cars going like '70s WRC machinery - awesom! In summer time they beat modern 4WD GrN but cost one 5th to buy and one 10th to run/repair.
- The reason for so many WRC cars is that rally is a national sport in Finland and Sweden. Many corporations see plenty of value to be involved. Also, anybody can buy any car tax free for competition. (One web millionar used to road race Ferrari F50! Tax free...) Hell, they even have government issued special licence plates! Nobody needs to smuggle in anything....
 

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How many $150K group N cars do we have here? There is a Group N Evo in the SS classifieds for $35k, I'd say that is cheap by car racing standards. My point is that it seems to me that US rallying is still quite grassroots and inexpensive compared to Europe and even other forms of racing (been to an ALS race lately?) and isn't that what you want -vive pro le ralliat?
 

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well, the point of my post was that you CAN (and to be competitive in international classes MUST) build a 100k GrN car. The fact that you can buy a 35k (WAAAAAY too much IMO to be called grassroots) GrN car that will be competitive in THIS country is irrelevant. JJ did not spend 150k on that GrN car for no reason right?

GrN does not limit the top amount you can spend, on the contrary it sets a limit on the MINIMUM you can spend, which is what I dislike.
 

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>well, the point of my post was that you CAN (and to be
>competitive in international classes MUST) build a 100k GrN
>car. The fact that you can buy a 35k (WAAAAAY too much IMO
>to be called grassroots) GrN car that will be competitive in
>THIS country is irrelevant.

It is relevant, it shows that we still have it (relatively) easy compared to people who want to compete in Europe, that $35k car would be competitive, in the right hands, here in the states.
You could also build a $100k Group 2 or grp 5 car if you wanted
Even the Mk2 Escorts, a competitive car would cost around $45-60k in Europe
 

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FWIW, most Group N cars here in the US cost >60K to build. Used car prices are not representative of car cost. That is a perceived value figure.

Also remember, that the owner of a Group N car in the US is usually funding the construction of his ride as well as the cost of running the series, and not supported by series or corporate sponsorship at the level we see in Europe.

Are there any ALMS cars without corporate sponsorship out there? Is there significant purse money? Are there series sponsors that contribute and help competitors defray costs? I don't know the answer to these questions, but I'm sure someone in this thread does.

Nomex is on...

Regards, John
 

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After the weather this week, upon reading the headline "Arctic Rally", I thought this maybe an inaugural event down in Florida!!!!

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Only 14 days till I smell the Green, Green Grass of Home......:)


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>Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Only 14 days till I smell the Green, Green
>Grass of Home......:)

Don:

Is that the grass you will smell or the sheep poop?

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- F1 Drivers Cup:
1. JJ Lehto 15th
2. Mika Hakkinen 29th
3. Keke Rosberg 44th
- Hakkinen can retire now, no new carrier in rally by any means.... even Keke was faster but went off....so were 15+ 2WD Starlets, Escorts, Opels, etc. All in a lesser car than Hakkinens's WRC2 EVO

Arctic rally exotic:
- The leader, Juuso Pykalisto, hit a reindeer at full speed:
Reindeer DNF, Pykalisto's Peugeot DNF
 
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