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Geez Doug. Let's see, Domino's Pizza didn't exist in Canada then, but was that the event sponsor or car sponsor, hmmmmmm he said the clues are in this thread..... What the heck, I'll take POR 1974. You are wearing the glasses and reading aloud, and as for the driver......who used those rubber splash guards on the front......Walter Boyce?
 

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As I recall you and Walter ran a 16 valve Celica on the 1974 POR. I seem to remember one photo of the car making a tight turn aound a tree. Maybe you have that photo too.

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>Geez Doug. Let's see, Domino's Pizza didn't exist in Canada
>then, but was that the event sponsor or car sponsor, hmmmmmm
>he said the clues are in this thread..... What the heck,
>I'll take POR 1974. You are wearing the glasses and reading
>aloud, and as for the driver......who used those rubber
>splash guards on the front......Walter Boyce?

Mark:

What you see as "Domino's Pizza" actually says "Castrol".

Mad Mike posted the photo for me. The photo was taken by Dave Weiman who sent it and many others to me last year.

When I sent it to Mike to post, I thought it was Walter Boyce and I in our Toyota Celica in the 1974 POR. However, after looking at it again and reviewing some of the other photos Dave sent, I was wrong.

The photo is not from the 1974 POR, but was taken one week earlier at the 1974 World Championship Rally of the Rideau Lakes. It is Walter driving the Celica but I was not co-driving. I had some other duties to perform that weekend as Rallymaster of the event! The co-driver is Stuart Gray from England. Walter and Stuart finished third on the rally (behind a works Lancia Stratos and Lancia Beta). The year before, when the 1973 Rideau Lakes was an FIA International Rally (and was being observed by the FIA for World Championship status), Walter and Stuart won the event in the same Toyota Corolla that Walter and I used to win the 1973 POR.

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>As I recall you and Walter ran a 16 valve Celica on the 1974
>POR.

Paul:

If only that were the case!

The car shown in the photo is the same Toyota Celica that we used on the 1974 POR. The week before the 1974 POR, Walter finished third overall on the Rideau Lakes in this car. The Rideau Lakes engine was, in fact, the 1588cc pushrod engine from our 1973 POR winning Toyota Corolla. We had campaigned that Toyota Corolla very hard during 1974 to win our fifth consecutive Canadian Rally Championship. The Corolla was basically dead by the end of the year. The Celica was built out of spares and parts from the Corolla. The pushrod engine had no more that 140 bhp and it is an indication of Walter's driving ability that he was able to finish third at the Rideau Lakes.

Anyway, the engine was on its last legs at the finish of the Rideau Lakes and we had to compete in the POR the next weekend. We had done absolutely nothing to prepare for the POR. As Rallymaster of the Rideau Lakes, I had spend almost every free minute for a year organizing the event. So we set off for the POR, with a very tired rally car and our service van full of spare engine parts. While everyone else was out doing a recce and making pacenotes, our plan was to get to the rally headquarters in Marquette, rebuild the engine and start the rally. We telephoned ahead to the local Toyota dealer in Marquette to let him know we were coming and to arrange garage space. We arrived the day before the rally, went to the dealer, and in the space of about 6 hours our crew pulled the old engine out of the car, stripped it down to a bare block, put in new bits, assemled the engine, reinstalled it in the car and fired it up on the first crank!

We started the rally the next day with no recce and an engine that had not yet been broken in. Unfortunately, there was no fairy tale ending. We ended up stuck off the edge of the road in deep sand part way through the rally. At that point in time, we had been slowly catching Guy Chasseuil, in his ex-works Renault Alpine, who eventually finished fourth overall.

We never did have a 16 valve engine in the Celica. You have to remember that the Toyota 16 valve engine was still very rare then. The 16 valve rally engines were developed for Toyota by Yamaha and only the works rally team had them from 1974 through about 1976. Walter used the same pushrod engine in early 1975 and then was sent an 8-valve twin cam engine from Japan. This engine was originally still 1588cc and we increased its capacity to 1800cc for 1976. In 1977, Taisto Heinonen used this same Celica shown in the photo (when Walter drove the works Triumph TR7 in Canada) with a 2200cc engine that we had developed near the end of 1976. Taisto later put this engine in another Celica body for the remaineder of 1977. Then, Taisto was able to obtain the ex-works 2000cc, 16 valve engines from Ove Andersson at TTE and used these in his Celicas and Corollas from 1978 through the early 1980s.

Sorry, for the Toyota history lesson. I hope you find it interesting.

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Interesting? Are you kidding? A photo accompanied by anecdotes is a great way to fill in historical blanks. Judging by the angle of the dust (90 deg. to the car body) and the smooth, wide road surface, that must have been one fantastic ride.
 

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Has Mike Posted the pics yet? I didn't see them on his site and
was wondering if I missed something or just need to be patient (probably the latter).

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>Those are GREAT! Thanks for hosting them.
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>PS - Anybody have the story on the red white & blue Jeep
>Wagoneer?

Probably one of the Moby Dick series. Gene Henderson driving? Wasn't Erhard Dahm another Moby pilot in that era?

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Ocrap...the biggest mistake Dick Turner ever made...Eric Ford's kit car...the I-Van!!! I got to ride in that thing...ya shoulda seen the insides...you wouldn't want your teenaged daughter being within 100 miles of that sin bin!
I gotta check those Black Sands photos real close, I'm standing up on that bank somewhere...

I still think it would be ultra neat to have a spectator stage out there again.

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I claim an exemption on this round. According to those in the know, these photos were taken a week (literally) before I knew performance rallying existed. My first was the 74 POR, and I just showed up for that one because there was an ad on the radio that said there was a race coming to town and they needed warm bodies. A 20-mile drive from the air base to the Chamber of Commerce got me an application. It's been all downhill/off-camber/triple caution for exposure from there... :7
 

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Some help please ...

I've posted about 150 pics on http://www.realautosport.com/Harvey/harvey.html and labled them with the non-descriptive filenames they came to me with. Some I have an idea about but if you have specifics I'd appreciate it if you'd share the info here (with filename) and I'll either add the captions or grant someone access to that page to fill them in.

And this is Jean Calvin, is it not?

http://www.realautosport.com/Harvey/Weiman/Wienman/Image45.jpg

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Yes it is, that was taken on the 68 POR at a Total station (the event sponsor) just before going out to Conners Flat, the first Special Stage in the US.

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How about a little more help.

Saw the one pic, Image22, of the Jeep. Used to live in Marquette back in the '70s. I seem to recall that a jeep Wagon/Cherokee won it's class or something back then, maybe '74-'75 or there abouts. Has my memory failed me? Can any one remember the details? Thanks
 

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Oh, Geeez what a stack of old stuff.....

The Jeep was either Gene Henderson's or Earhardt Dahm's....if my memory serves me right (and that's rare) they were powered by Roger Penske Stock Car Engines putting out GOBS o' horsepower (Donohue was running big AMC's at the time). Didn't last long, 'tho.

The Z'z were driven by Tom Jones and Karl Goehring (Wayne Zitkus co-driving)

I think there's a Capri in there....probably Loyal Jodar's (Image 08)2 years later it was four-wheel drive! (Jon Wickens in the right seat probably)

Oh, and the scoring RV you see?.....Roger and Margot Turpening...Image 10

And that's Harry ward alongside JB's old Escort..Image 7

And one of the Porsche's (probably the one with "Carerra" on the rocker panel) was driven by Sobaslaw Sazada...I believe he left it in the States and JB picked it up.....I was in the Porsche Club in St. Louis when one of the members was negotiating buying it....never knew whether he did or not.

And let's bet on the Subaru....Joe LeBeau? Jim Doige Co-driving? Midland MI area?

that's it for now.....my brain cells are overheated!

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I believe the Capri was either Bill Dodd from Elyria, Ohio or Albright (a little fuzzy on this name) from Michigan. Both had yellow Capris. Bills was powered by the 2600 CC engine and Albright had a 1600. My bet is that it is Bill Dodd's because of the big Cooper Stickers.

The Volvo 142 in the pictures must be Jim Walkers. I recognize the Corolla of Boyce and Woods. There is even a picture of the Polski Fiats!

Mike, if you would like, I,ll get out my old entry lists, pictures and other stuff and try to give you a comprehensive list of each car and probable driver and event matched up with your image number. I am thinking of putting it into a spreadsheet so others can download it, add to it and correct it. We can't let these historic pictures go unidentified. We have to act now while most of us old farts still can remember!!

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>Mike, if you would like, I,ll get out my old entry lists,
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>We have to act now while most of us old farts still can
>remember!!

That would be wonderful. I'll start updating pics with captions with the info folks sound the most sure about and leave the filename there in parenthesis.

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Image 22 is one of Papa Gene Henderson's rompin' stompin' Yeeps from the pre-HQ-in-da-UP POR's. In 1976, TECHNICALLY there was no POR -- instead, there was the Marquette 1000 sanctioned by the now-long-gone NARRA (North American Rally Racing Assn ?). Papa Gene won that one. Legend has it that late the night before the event, a bunch of the regulars went out and ran around for awhile, declaring that "This is POR" just to keep the string going. Supposedly, one of the stages was named POR just for that reason. 76 was the only year I've missed up there since 1974, so I'm going on late night Library war stories on this one... :7
 

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Lots of those cars look familiar to me too. The Volvo is definitely Jim Walker and Terry Palmer from Ann Arbor. I'll try to dig through my stuff and see what I can identify too. Kent Gardam
 
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